# Why does trade have to cough up all the isk sinks? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 19, 2019, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394 "2019-10-19T10:55:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/47 "2019-10-20T16:59:08Z")
Are you… thick in the head? > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > yeah i just tried to buy a injector in jita > sell 818m > buy 794m > i try to buy 794m and after fees it is 835m > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > i tried to create a buy order for 794 and the cost of the buy order was 835 > [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > i have to pay 5.1% You were JUST complaining about the brokers fees. And I am telling you how to solve your problem… You’re paying more because of Brokers fees. I am telling you how to avoid high brokers fees. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/48 "2019-10-20T17:00:03Z")
oh okay so how many player owned stations are there in jita and where did i ask for advice about this ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/49 "2019-10-20T17:01:18Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > so how many player owned stations are there in jita I literally told you where to go to place orders. > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Set up a buy order in Tranquility Trading Towers in Perimeter You are a piece of work, you know that? Please read the responses that you’re getting. We’re telling you how to solve your problem. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/50 "2019-10-20T17:02:30Z")
i am in jita not perimeter i didnt ask about perimeter or player owned stations and you started blaming me for nothing and directing unnecessary posts at me i didnt ask for an explanation i didnt ask for advice oh and btw the mods can still see your posts before you edited them btw ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/51 "2019-10-20T17:25:08Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > i have to pay 5.1% Then Jita is probably not the best market for you, nor it is a good idea to trade with that character at all. Broker Fee = 5%-(0.3%\*BrokerRelationsLevel)-(0.03%\*FactionStanding)-(0.02%\*CorpStanding) The Broker Fees only take unmodified standings into account, so skills that increase your effective standing, such as Connections or Diplomacy, do not have an effect on these fees. ---
**Author:** ![Coffee\_Stains\_Unlimited](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/coffee_stains_unlimited/32/164342_2.png) [@Coffee\_Stains\_Unlimited](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Coffee_Stains_Unlimited)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/52 "2019-10-20T18:12:55Z")
I can’t see how traders are taxed higher, or differently, than any other profession? Did I miss something in my wallet with all the taxes paid, and I’m not a trader by profession, but I still need stuff. You can get around some taxes and broker fees, or lower them significantly, but there’s a ton of other fees you can’t get around in other professions. Though, some are faucets, but doesn’t change that you pay. Isn’t it just a figures game that laziness doesn’t agree with? ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/53 "2019-10-20T18:14:49Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > i am in jita not perimeter I am disappointed how you can play the game for this long and fundamentally not understand how to play it. There is a player owned market called Tranquility Trading Towers in Perimeter. It is 1 jump next door Jita. You can go to the TTT and set up a Buy Order. When you do, you will be able to benefit from the lower brokers fee and save money. On top of this, because it’s 1 jump next to Jita, you can set the range on your buy order to be, guess what, ONE JUMP. So that you can set a Buy Order in Perimeter in the TTT (and thus benefitting from the reduced brokers fees) while at the same time, having your orders (likely) filled in Jita, because it’s within the 1 jump range of your buy order. If someone decides to try and fill that order in another station 1 jump away, it doesn’t matter to you, since you’ve already managed to benefit from the reduced Brokers fees from setting up the order in the first place. Now you have learned why there are so many remote buy orders around Jita placed in Player Owned Markets (such as the TTT). This is because they can still interact with the Jita market while at the same time benefiting from the reduced brokers fees. You’re welcome, kid. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/54 "2019-10-20T18:16:16Z")
omg will you shut up about perimeter i dont care about perimeter ive told you that 3 times ---
**Author:** ![Siebmordan\_Hur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siebmordan_hur/32/411383_2.png) [@Siebmordan\_Hur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siebmordan_Hur)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/55 "2019-10-20T18:17:13Z")
JC, have you considered trading in Perimeter? hehe ---
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/56 "2019-10-20T18:26:15Z")
I hear Perimeter is good to trade at @JC_Mieyli ---
**Author:** ![Phat\_Phreddy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phat_phreddy/32/168967_2.png) [@Phat\_Phreddy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phat_Phreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/57 "2019-10-20T20:55:59Z")
This guy has to be trolling. Nobody is this thick. ---
**Author:** ![Haulie\_Berry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/haulie_berry/32/388021_2.png) [@Haulie\_Berry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Haulie_Berry)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/58 "2019-10-21T00:33:57Z")
If you want to place your buy order in Jita 4-4, you may do so. It’s obviously, **deliberately** stupid of you to do so, but that is your prerogative. The prices are as such because all of the people who are smarter than you - seemingly everyone, at this point - DO care about perimeter and are leveraging that advantage. If the majority of people are trading in a way that costs a fraction of the fees that you’re making a deliberately stupid decision to unnecessarily pay, the price spread is going to be based on **their** comparatively lower costs, not **your** needlessly high, easily avoided costs. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/63 "2019-10-21T06:27:27Z")
im in jita not perimeter the cheaper sell orders are in jita not perimeter i didnt ask for advice i didnt ask for your explanations i dont care about this i dont care about you i didnt buy the injector i dont care if i pay a few million more for an injector i just came into a whine thread to whine about something dumb and yes it is dumb and so is everyone who replied to call me dumb dont reply to this post you will be ignored sorry for saying the r word i removed it anyway the point is everyone saying go to perimeter is wrong the sell orders are set up in jita not perimeter so dont tell me everyone is going to perimeter and that explains the prices you are wrong entirely wrong and dont start giving me more explanations i dont care about them im ignoring replies now because i hate reading you guys ---
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/64 "2019-10-21T06:46:26Z")
can I have your stuff when you rage quit @JC_Mieyli happy to pick up in perimeter 😛 ![cake](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/f/0f185e25fa1446f0278c7d864e0dbce841fcf987.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/65 "2019-10-21T07:36:31Z")
i already pretty much quitted a long time ago when i was like 12 and i grew out of it because this game lacks depth and vision so i moved onto smarter things ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/66 "2019-10-21T08:32:03Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > i already pretty much quitted You only quit a bit? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/67 "2019-10-21T08:33:53Z")
no i quit a lot and stayed a bit ---
**Author:** ![Theron\_Larkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theron_larkis/32/170573_2.png) [@Theron\_Larkis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theron_Larkis)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/68 "2019-10-21T09:00:54Z")
Can you quit a bit more please? Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/69 "2019-10-21T09:07:25Z")
Everyone can be a victim this days!! Don’ let you discourage by people saying “But you are a trader, you make billions of ISK and the taxes are not in the margins anyway”! Because that is not the point!! This hideous graphic puts all the tax burden on your virtual shoulders!! You have a right to feel oppressed!! ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394/70 "2019-10-21T09:10:24Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > im in jita not perimeter > the cheaper sell orders are in jita not perimeter Then whats the problem with buying in Jita (you are not taxed when buying stuff from sell orders)? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-does-trade-have-to-cough-up-all-the-isk-sinks/196394.md?page=4)