# Why Eve is not a PvP game **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve, pvp, industrial\ **Created:** [May 12, 2020, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538 "2020-05-12T09:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538/527 "2020-08-19T20:04:50Z")
Get a few accounts going, queue at the same time at an off time, good chance its you with alts against 1 or 2 players, get #1 on the leader boards. Or queue with friends, kill the non friends, and then trade victories. ---
**Author:** ![Bromazepam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bromazepam/32/385098_2.png) [@Bromazepam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bromazepam)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538/528 "2021-01-28T12:14:07Z")
> [@Brun\_Warbear](#): > > You, and your linked article fail to grasp that the fundamental mechanics of Eve are competitive. Say I as a miner wanna sell my ore for a higher price than you, and make more money? Then I blow up your ships. Fewer competing m3 on the market. Winner winner chicken dinner. Yes, man was talking about juvenile… That’s right… And you made his point… Maybe you people from Wild Wild West dont understand concept of Civilization. and human development, evolution of business models, evolving beyond amoebae… Your kind is cancer in RL, your kind is cancer in EVE, and if CCP reads this, cancer kills the host at the end. And back in the day - EVE had a lot more active online players. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Eve is, at it’s core, a pvp sandbox. The ultimate goal is to destroy eachother and all other elements of the game are leading to that goal. I guess You failed to understand concept of sendbox… Its that box of sand where kids play, because its SAFE. Sandbox is PVE stuff where bullies are ant, send, wind… Sandbox is where you build your sand castle and evolve and brag about how big sand castle is. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538/529 "2021-01-28T13:07:24Z")
> [@Bromazepam](#): > > I guess You failed to understand concept of sendbox… Its that box of sand where kids play, because its SAFE. Sandbox is PVE stuff where bullies are ant, send, wind… > > Sandbox is where you build your sand castle and evolve and brag about how big sand castle is. No not quite. Sandbox refers to ‘making what you want’ out of a game and choosing your own path. It doesn’t really have anything to do with safety. And the setting of a sandbox game can most certainly be pvp based, as eve is. > Sandbox game is taken from its literal term, a box of sand where children play in. > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/1/4/a14fc2b17e3c7d14fa02a7fe99e575ec59e6f635.webp) > > ​ > ​The design of such is heavily oriented towards open world or ‘do what you like’ kinda place. > > Minecraft and Grand theft Auto 3 onwards are good examples of different styles of sandbox game play. Starbound being a 2d sandbox. > > Basically an unrestricted or exploration based environment in which the player gets to create his version of fun is pretty much what a kid does in a sandbox. Hence the name, this is called Emergent Gameplay. > **[What does the term sandbox game mean?](https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-term-sandbox-game-mean)** > > Answer (1 of 8): Sandbox game is taken from its literal term, a box of sand where children play in. > > ​ > ​The design of such is heavily oriented towards open world or 'do what you like' kinda place. > > Minecraft and Grand theft Auto 3 onwards are good... And EVE onlines take on the sandbox. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/5/859eeae064e091a17c5bee04f9360610489e033d.jpeg "EVE Online: The Butterfly Effect") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU) ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538/530 "2021-01-28T15:52:56Z")
Reeks of Balos. Anyhow … I had no idea a _serb_ could be such a wimp. @Daichi_Yamato Or this one. Build your dreams … … wreck their dreams. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/8/5840844730a9368c8688e3c290f246df898665fd.jpeg "EVE Online: Citadel Cinematic Trailer") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bjTrPutt4k) But this isn’t about lacking information, he’s just a wimpy asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538/531 "2021-01-28T17:42:58Z")
It’s not Balos, but it **is** an **extremely** well-crafted false-flag op. There are some tells (not the least of which is the _name_), but you gotta _look_ for them. I can understand why so many people have been taken for a ride in its thread, though. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538/532 "2021-01-28T17:51:46Z")
The name is the name of a drug. In his profile he’s putting his location as serbia. Actually Serbia has a drug problem. Apparently Bromazepam seems to be one of them. He’s the most weakass serb I’ve ever come across. You know, I’m really tired of clearly _mentally ill people_ telling us how we should be playing the game. They _clearly_ can’t seperate reality from fiction. People wonder why they don’t behave like this in other games like Call Of Duty, Rust or any of the others, but actually it’s ■■■■■■■ obvious. The reason is that these aren’t games where you can pretend to live a different life. They’re not MMOs. You can’t escape from your life by playing CoD in the same way as by playing an MMO. It doesn’t serve much of a purpose outside it’s specific use, while MMOs absolutely _offer_ a life of its own. So we have _clearly mentally ill people_ running around here _who try to live a different life in a videogame_, who _truly believe that this is a different life_ … and thus come to the conclusion that those … … who play the game as intended … … _must_ be evil people, because they kill others. ---
**Author:** ![Bromazepam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bromazepam/32/385098_2.png) [@Bromazepam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bromazepam)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538/533 "2021-01-30T23:13:51Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > You know, I’m really tired of clearly _mentally ill people_ telling us how we should be playing the game. And thats it? Insult others when you have no arguments to sustain your BS? Other people mentally ill if they DONT think like you? Someone try to explain something to you and he’s mentally ill? > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > No not quite I guess some part was lost in the translation… Now think for a second… If that was the case in RL, and it was until 75 years ago - Kill’em all and destroy’em all - we wouldn’t be playing this game now. Same in EVE, and my point is: Why ruin the game with so much potential with stupid juvenile way of playing? Why be a dumb ass? Why I have to play the game the way you think I should play? **And to return to main point - attacking unarmed mining barge should be made impossible.** ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538/534 "2021-01-30T23:32:57Z")
> [@Bromazepam](#): > > And thats it? Insult others when you have no arguments to sustain your BS? > > Other people mentally ill if they DONT think like you? > > Someone try to explain something to you and he’s mentally ill? Although I know that you’re a troll, this is still a very important thing to address. If a person has some form of PTSD, which _is_ a form of mental illness, they shouldn’t be playing high-risk games like this. That’s just a completely irrational thing to do; if you’re not in a normal mental state, there’s absolutely no reason to subject yourself to experiences that will exacerbate your condition. You wouldn’t go on a roller coaster if you had a heart condition, right? There are **thousands** of games out there that aren’t going to cause issues like anger and anxiety. If someone wants to “mine in peace,” there’s like _half a dozen_ single-player/co-op mining simulators on Steam alone. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2021, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538/535 "2021-01-31T00:46:47Z")
> [@Bromazepam](#): > > Now think for a second… If that was the case in RL, and it was until 75 years ago - Kill’em all and destroy’em all - we wouldn’t be playing this game now. Did you make this argument to the devs of space invaders? > [@Bromazepam](#): > > Why I have to play the game the way you think I should play? I’m not telling you how you should play. But I’m telling you that the way other people play can impact your game. This is the nature of eve. Don’t like it? Play something else. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2021, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538/536 "2021-01-31T00:55:09Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2021, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538/537 "2021-01-31T00:55:39Z")
I’m not sure how this thread didn’t get autolocked, but after reviewing the more recent posts, I’m closing it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-eve-is-not-a-pvp-game/240538.md?page=19)