# Why I care about new players, and you should too

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**Category:** Assembly Hall\
**Tags:** new-player\
**Created:** [September 5, 2023, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-care-about-new-players-and-you-should-too/418998 "2023-09-05T11:33:41Z")\
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**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\
**Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-care-about-new-players-and-you-should-too/418998/2 "2023-09-05T12:29:17Z")

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> [@Tikka](#):
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> But these necessary and essential steps make them alluring targets for high-sec gankers. While the loss might be trivial for seasoned players, for a novice, it’s devastating.

Is this just another submarine anti ganking thread? Dressed up in civil language, a fantastic imaginary narrative, and a faux call for „open minded“ discussion?

For one, I recently met two friends who were legit 2 month old newbs trying to live in wormhole space. They aren’t represented in your made up story at all.

For two, your very first post on the forums was not so open minded nor receptive to discussion, posted minutes before this:

> [@Gankers do not make EVE a better place](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/gankers-do-not-make-eve-a-better-place/380392/320):
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> It seems you are a huge ganking advocate for high-sec, and you might be an experienced high-sec player who deals with new player problems daily. I don’t know.
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> Following the logic that ganking is the best for player retention, how about championing to CCP to add extra damage against new players for veterans and let Concord not show up while ganking new players?  
> That all MUST then skyrock the new player experience AND push retention numbers to the heavens. Let’s try that for 6 months with the option to do a 180 if the numbers are tanking.

This whole post reeks of self righteous „I want to have a conversation but only to tell you my opinion“ kind of discourse.

If you _actually_ want to have a discussion talk about concrete problems, not some imaginary narrative.

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