# Why I dislike gankers and people opposed to ganking **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 26, 2024, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998 "2024-02-26T17:37:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TheHound\_OfGreys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thehound_ofgreys/32/412487_2.png) [@TheHound\_OfGreys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheHound_OfGreys)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/21 "2024-02-26T19:12:28Z")
Okay, I will say this one more time. I am not RGC, and I do not like being false accusations. I am affiliated with RGC, but I am a separate person with separate desires and separate interests. I do have alts, but I rarely (if ever) use them. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/22 "2024-02-26T19:13:43Z")
> [@TheHound\_OfGreys](#): > > I don’t like gankers as people We don’t like you. ---
**Author:** ![TheHound\_OfGreys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thehound_ofgreys/32/412487_2.png) [@TheHound\_OfGreys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheHound_OfGreys)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/23 "2024-02-26T19:14:06Z")
Well, glad the feelings mutual. I don’t like me either. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/24 "2024-02-26T19:15:58Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Nice straw man. I take it you have no problems with people using different characters to pretend to increase their “voice”? Ah no, that was actually tongue-in-cheek humor/exaggeration, but honestly meant. And I thank you for pointing out the origins of the two-faced posters, it’s too much to keep track of for me. While I’m not sure we actually need harsh penalties for multi-alt posting, I think the practice is a bit ridiculous and indicative of weak arguments from fragile egos. It also leads to the oft-repeated dismissing of someone’s arguments, good or bad, just by saying “Oh you must be one of X’s alts”. It’s a cheap way to blow off an argument without needing to come up with a response. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/25 "2024-02-26T19:18:33Z")
> [@TheHound\_OfGreys](#): > > From a new player perspective, I do think it’s fair to get mad at getting ganked. Imagine spending your last 50m on a cool new PvE ship, and some random players in cheap 5m fits show up and turn your beloved new ship into a heap of scrap in seconds. Getting mad is okay, and then embrace the chance to learn from it. Because obviously you did mistakes and someone made profit out of them. It’s absolutely no reason to nerf ganking or creating a “problem” that needs “fixing”. I have spent the last roughly 2 years in this game in teaching new players basic game mechanics like fitting, scanning, moving in unknown space, evaluating combat situations and so on, and know what? The same “loss” of your beloved PvE ship can happen if you warp into an unknown anomaly unprepared. Or jump to a WH and there is a Drifter BS on the other side. It can even happen in HighSec by warping into a mission you don’t know and this particulary missions happens to be harder than the ones you are used at. People lose ships for various reasons and you have to understand that this is _totally okay_. Jumping into a ganker’s camp or missing them targeting you or failing to escape/survive the situation simply is another one of these “unprepared situations” a newbie can face. There is absolutely _nothing_ wrong with that, it’s part of the game. > [@TheHound\_OfGreys](#): > > but I don’t like gankers as people If you are a real “new player” and not an alt, you wouldn’t even _know_ these people. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/26 "2024-02-26T19:20:33Z")
If someone is using different characters to post because his earlier characters and posting history have been found… lacking, then I’m going to dismiss what they are saying. ---
**Author:** ![TheHound\_OfGreys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thehound_ofgreys/32/412487_2.png) [@TheHound\_OfGreys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheHound_OfGreys)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/27 "2024-02-26T19:22:27Z")
Are you implying that I can’t be an older player? I’ve been playing for around 2 1/2 years at this point, and I’ve interacted with gankers on a few other occasions, and I’ve found them to be rather self adsorbed. Now, not saying that goes for all gankers, I’m sure some of them are lovely people. I also do not like being falsely accused, of anything as a matter of fact. I am not RGC. I am not another person. I am me. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/28 "2024-02-26T19:24:37Z")
> [@TheHound\_OfGreys](#): > > I am not RGC. I am not another person. I am me. Exactly what an RGC alt would say. Just sayin’. 😈 🍿 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/29 "2024-02-26T19:35:09Z")
ookay, then I misinterpreted this one: > [@TheHound\_OfGreys](#): > > From a new player perspective, I do think it’s fair to get mad at getting ganked. But, my apologies, english isn’t my native language. So then, is there any really worth being discussed or did you just want to make your opinion about “gankers and people opposed to ganking” public? What kind of constructive discussion you have hoped for, other than just stir up the mud? 🤷 ---
**Author:** ![TheHound\_OfGreys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thehound_ofgreys/32/412487_2.png) [@TheHound\_OfGreys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheHound_OfGreys)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/30 "2024-02-26T19:36:36Z")
I was mostly just curious about people’s opinions on ganking, and also why people are just so salty about this debate ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/31 "2024-02-26T19:45:20Z")
Oh, then just search “ganking” in the forum search and you will find stuff for years to read. But, here is a quick summary: - Antigankers get “salty” because they are beaten first in the game and later in any and all debates about the topic, because they simply can’t prove _anything_ they claim. - Gankers get salty because the Antigankers keep repeating their false claims like a mantra in the hope that a bit of ■■■■ will still stick if you just throw enough of it. Essientially to nerf/remove the ganker’s way of playing the game without any good argument. ---
**Author:** ![TheHound\_OfGreys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thehound_ofgreys/32/412487_2.png) [@TheHound\_OfGreys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheHound_OfGreys)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/32 "2024-02-26T19:50:21Z")
Yeah, you make a lot of good points. Mainly I just wanted to see where most of the vitriol was from, but I do try to see both points of the argument. It’s just hard when you’ve been ganked more times than you’ve ganked. ---
**Author:** ![RGC\_Godfather](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rgc_godfather/32/433733_2.png) [@RGC\_Godfather](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RGC_Godfather)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/33 "2024-02-26T19:57:52Z")
TheHound literally said he is both against and for ganking, I have been noted as having said on multiple occasions that I am 110% against it. If that doesnt tell you we are different people idk what will lol Stupid is as stupid does I guess. Also the argument of only new accounts make cases of being against ganking is horribly incorrect. Several real veterans are against it as well. People who do real pvp and know the difference between pvp and beating baby seals and calling it pvp. This character I main on is from 2010 and I’ve done a lot of things in game in that time. I make my arguments with the same facts and logic about how the game would be better without it. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/34 "2024-02-26T20:00:05Z")
It’s pretty clear that there’s a contingent of people who just really hate PvP when it’s not done on their terms and are only OK with it after they deliberately think “OK, _now_ I’m undocking to PvP” (which “_will_ happen, just not today, and probably not tomorrow either”). It doesn’t matter where PvP happens. Despite my playstyle generally falling near or into the mythical “REAL PvP in low sec”, whenever I see anti-PvP nameless forum alts start threads about making _low_ sec safer – yes, low sec – I’ve seen zero of the “I hate ganking but I like a dangerous universe” type of people come to defend low sec piracy playstyle. None. (Well, maybe _one_). I’m under no illusions. There are so few people left on the forums that the same conversation has been had with the same people about 50 different times in 150 different ways and so there’s a pretty clear list of folks who at this point merely say “I like living in a dangerous universe” but would rather have folks like myself have a table saw accident so we could never log in again. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/35 "2024-02-26T20:00:30Z")
Ganking keeps most people in high sec because they never get to reach a point where they feel like taking risk since high sec already feels risky. Ganking is also not sustainable. Eventually there wont be any victims left caus they quit and then gankers are just going to quiet as well. But lets see. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/36 "2024-02-26T20:34:56Z")
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**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/37 "2024-02-26T20:44:39Z")
> [@TheHound\_OfGreys](#): > > Seriously, why all this salt from both sides? Over a decade of mutual hatred. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/38 "2024-02-26T21:33:41Z")
> [@TheHound\_OfGreys](#): > > From a new player perspective… How is it all the people presenting the ‘new player perspective’ are _not_ actually new players but older players _imagining_ that alleged ‘perspective’ ? Which is absurd because by definition every one of us got through being a new player and are thus proof that it can be done. There is thus a supreme irony in ( allegedly ) _so many_ multi years old players claiming that ganking puts off new players…as the more of them there are the more they disprove their own claim ! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/39 "2024-02-26T21:43:07Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Ganking keeps most people in high sec… And your _evidence_ for this claim that you just invented out if thin air is ? > [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Eventually there wont be any victims left caus they quit Yet more un-evidenced ‘they’ hyperbole. ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-dislike-gankers-and-people-opposed-to-ganking/440998/40 "2024-02-26T22:16:42Z")
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