# Why I quit AG and why you should too **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [July 31, 2022, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937 "2022-07-31T13:36:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/285 "2022-08-22T13:39:24Z")
So, more whining. Joy. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/286 "2022-08-22T13:44:52Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > because it is badly coded and majority of ganks doesn’t get this tag Exactly! In fact, one of my gankers has no trace in zkillboard, guy has no lines!! 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/287 "2022-08-22T14:02:52Z")
Wow, this stream of whining is really something. Please show me on this doll where the mean gankers touched you. Must have been really traumatizing due to the anger, paranoia and spam you present to us. It seems you have it all covered. - gankers are in minority and if ppls spoke their mind they would have voted to remove ganking and players doing it from the game - those who are against you are their alt or they are collaborating with them which puts them off their radar - the reason nobody stick up for you is that all these morally good players were either already driven off the forum by gankers or they don’t know that EVE has a forum where they can whine about ganking, because surely they have this need just like you Btw, why are you posting from alt with no killboard history? Ashamed for your loss? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/288 "2022-08-22T15:02:33Z")
> [@Roxana\_Dawn](#): > > I will never stop until it stops ! Didn’t JJ also make this declaration? That psyops alt now spams rather infrequently now. Hmmm. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/289 "2022-08-22T15:12:12Z")
> [@Roxana\_Dawn](#): > > Vast majority of players dont know forums exist > its just a few like me that come and complain and all the gankers that come here and make sure the people that complain dont get listened by CCP > Because you fear ganking would get nerfed more than i fear coming back to play Most of the people complaining about ganking are noobs. I myself complained when I was a noob. But as the months go by, those noobs gradually come to realise that ganking is actually a fundamental and necessary part of the game. Noobs simply don’t have the encompassing perspective to see that. Eve is a game of survival. It thus stands to reason that many of the older players ( including most non gankers ) support ganking…as they _are_ those survivors. It equally stands to reason that we should not listen to those who failed Eve Boot Camp or are in danger of doing so. To lessen the harshness of Eve is to diminish the achievement of all those who get through. _That_ is the thing that all the whiny noobs simply cannot grasp. ---
**Author:** ![Roxana\_Dawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roxana_dawn/32/419978_2.png) [@Roxana\_Dawn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roxana_Dawn)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/290 "2022-08-22T15:20:37Z")
You know nothing about me, i know nothing about you how about that? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/291 "2022-08-22T15:25:49Z")
> [@Roxana\_Dawn](#): > > You know nothing about me As you have zero killboard I see no evidence that you even play Eve. I stand by my original comments. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/292 "2022-08-22T15:47:00Z")
> [@Roxana\_Dawn](#): > > You know nothing about me, Yet you declared to me > [@Roxana\_Dawn](#): > > Because you fear ganking Me thinks you are a whining hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Roxana\_Dawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roxana_dawn/32/419978_2.png) [@Roxana\_Dawn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roxana_Dawn)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/293 "2022-08-22T16:50:32Z")
i dont want my kills and deaths to be subject of your comments. and no i dont play anymore because of HS suicide ganking has got completely out of line. ---
**Author:** ![Roxana\_Dawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roxana_dawn/32/419978_2.png) [@Roxana\_Dawn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roxana_Dawn)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/294 "2022-08-22T16:51:21Z")
Think what you want ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/295 "2022-08-22T17:03:17Z")
> [@Roxana\_Dawn](#): > > no i dont play anymore Then stop spreading 💩 in our community and go away. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/296 "2022-08-22T17:14:29Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > As was said in another thread, the “GANKED” tag is not a good estimate for how many ganks have happened because it is badly coded and majority of ganks doesn’t get this tag. Only ganks with 5+ attackers and at least one of them posting a loss to CONCORD will be flagged this way. Thanks for the clarification, I was under the impression that every ship loss in high sec where the attacker(s) are then eliminated by CONCORD would count as “gank”. Good to know. > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > And idk, to me 600 bilions destroyed in June by Safety. alone seems pretty much impactful. Add other alliances, solo gankers, and you are at 1 trillion. Is this really insignificant? Why do you think so? From this point of view, your statements make a lot more sense to me now, thanks again. From just looking at the “ganked” stats, it looked more than like 400-500b per month from ALL ganking together, which truly is not that much when compared to the income generated in HighSec. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > More than other alliances, the assets we destroy are predominantly resource harvesters, and their destruction eliminates resources which would have been harvested. I suspect far more wealth is eliminated by forcing people to dock up and stop farming. There is some truth in this. Hard to calculate numbers though. The impact might indeed be greater than at first glance. ---
**Author:** ![Roxana\_Dawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roxana_dawn/32/419978_2.png) [@Roxana\_Dawn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roxana_Dawn)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/297 "2022-08-22T17:30:01Z")
What ■■■■ i am spreading in the community ? That the game is unbalanced and needs correction ? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/298 "2022-08-22T18:00:06Z")
Please stop giving socialists a bad name. People like you need gulag. Then rest of people be happier. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/299 "2022-08-22T18:50:15Z")
> [@Roxana\_Dawn](#): > > What ■■■■ i am spreading in the community ? > That the game is unbalanced and needs correction ? Please cite source material. Otherwise you’re making ■■■■ up. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/300 "2022-08-23T00:15:21Z")
At some point if something has been “unbalanced” for 20 years, when do you just concede that actually IS the balance? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/301 "2022-08-23T00:35:45Z")
Just move the fulcrum (Concord) on the Highsec SeeSaw to only enforce starter systems where it is advised to not cause Rookie-Griefing. That will balance things perfectly to make way for the faction npcs to take charge of their systems and only attack pilots who hold low standings but at the same time instead of going criminal they are suspect along with a greater reduction of standing as punishment. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/302 "2022-08-23T01:20:34Z")
Look. The only solution is this. Ban all forms of PvP. Everywhere. That way, no one will ever be on the receiving end of non-consensual pvp. It has been _proven_ that pvp destroys games. It has also been proven that people who engage in pvp are RL psychopaths. And the last thing any functional society needs or wants is something that caters to these people. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/303 "2022-08-23T03:58:18Z")
> [@Roxana\_Dawn](#): > > the game is unbalanced We have no evidence that you have ever played Eve. How is it that neither you nor Jesse W James or many of the others who seek to comment on ganking have any killboard whatever. Someone who wails about ganking yet provides zero evidence that they have ever actually _been_ ganked…is basically irrelevant. Your unsubstantiated opinion is simply not worth listening to. If people want to wail about ganking they should provide actual examples that they have personally experienced and that others can verify. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937/304 "2022-08-23T04:45:37Z")
Players who engage in the above activity are actually CODE / Ganker agents trying to give AG a bad name. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-i-quit-ag-and-why-you-should-too/371937.md?page=16)