# Why is it so easy to recover bad security status. Endless suicide ganking in high sec with 0 penalty **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [October 11, 2025, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063 "2025-10-11T10:31:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/265 "2026-03-26T02:50:07Z")
> [@Darquies\_Shade](#): > > Stop being so emotional. Even the person you are “protecting” never said anything, why should you > [@Why can miners grief me with kill rights but I can't grief them?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-can-miners-grief-me-with-kill-rights-but-i-cant-grief-them/508691/67): > > The primary psychological terms for this behavior are projection and gaslighting, often executed through a tactic called **[DARVO](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=DARVO&ved=2ahUKEwiHpo_E_LmTAxUJ1skDHUFYE_gQgK4QegQIARAE)** (Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender). The person is discrediting your reaction to avoid accountability, making you question your reality while projecting their own intense emotions onto you. > > **Key Psychological Concepts:** > > - **Projection:** A defense mechanism where a person denies their own unacceptable emotions or behaviors by attributing them to someone else. They are often the ones being emotional but project that intensity onto you. > - **Gaslighting:** A manipulation tactic where someone makes you doubt your sanity, memories, or perceptions, often by calling you “too sensitive,” “crazy,” or “irrational” to shift blame. > - **DARVO (Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender):** A common manipulative strategy where the abuser: > 1. **D** enies the behavior. > 2. **A** ttacks the person confronting them. > 3. **R** everses the roles of **V** ictim and **O** ffender, making themselves the victim of your “emotional” reaction. > > - **[Reactive Abuse](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Reactive+Abuse&mstk=AUtExfBJbzehqD3Wc1LtHz-xQdeNaNBU98L5NdnHqedkRQWlmIUU6-KjQCVLfaeVBaL8C0zC8Be_WkNvstV-w4_EX2GwDMnLO3TJsc_Ta15ACkIiGVtrW5oZz4J7esWpdf3-0mn4Ws7QQYJ9d9HJtStwVYNNCjLMUC94tq6iW34yybPldhk_BCGvxsH_mM4YOxE8HnuG57NgVX5fhDWAzgVtXixc_1Fhco33RWThEVnZy9NOm2dzyDrnJngB9aEv3AVquSSlzNDFzskUqyUshEdhBeoICEltqDVa7SOG37PPvKWAtg&csui=3&ved=2ahUKEwiHpo_E_LmTAxUJ1skDHUFYE_gQgK4QegQIAxAH):** A situation where a victim of abuse acts out in reaction to abuse, and the abuser uses that reaction to label the victim as the aggressor. I don’t care what alt you use. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/266 "2026-03-26T03:14:00Z")
> [@Darquies\_Shade](#): > > why does the game allow a -10 sec status player to be in a ship in a system that is over .5 sec rating in the first place? Why not? ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/267 "2026-03-26T03:49:01Z")
> [@Tessa\_Springfield](#): > > I don’t care what alt you use. not an alt. sigh. also food for thought: _As Jennifer Joy Freyd notes in her overview of the concept, Professor John Potter explicitly warns in his essay, DARVO: Narrative and Counter-Narrative in Conflict Escalation, that the popularity of the term introduces risks. Potter highlights that once a concept like DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender) becomes common knowledge, it can be wielded as a rhetorical weapon, noteably in the following ways: Wisely: To accurately identify a manipulative pattern used by abusers to escape accountability._ _ **Lazily: To dismiss a counter-argument without actually addressing the evidence.** _ _ **Unfairly: To quickly silence someone else’s legitimate perspective or defense by painting them as an abuser.** _ slow down a bit please. This is not that serious. ---
**Author:** ![Tessa\_Springfield](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tessa_springfield/32/494841_2.png) [@Tessa\_Springfield](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tessa_Springfield)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 3:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/268 "2026-03-26T03:50:59Z")
> [@Darquies\_Shade](#): > > not an alt. sigh. > > also food for thought: > > _As Jennifer Joy Freyd notes in her overview of the concept, Professor John Potter explicitly warns in his essay, DARVO: Narrative and Counter-Narrative in Conflict Escalation, that the popularity of the term introduces risks. Potter highlights that once a concept like DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender) becomes common knowledge, it can be wielded as a rhetorical weapon, noteably in the following ways: > Wisely: To accurately identify a manipulative pattern used by abusers to escape accountability._ > > _ **Lazily: To dismiss a counter-argument without actually addressing the evidence.** _ > > _ **Unfairly: To quickly silence someone else’s legitimate perspective or defense by painting them as an abuser.** _ > > slow down a bit please. This is not that serious. dude. shut the ■■■■ up. I am so fed up with you rats always whining and crying then using ISD’s to protect your feelers ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/269 "2026-03-26T03:56:23Z")
Tessa, I am sorry you feel this way. If you would look, I have just recently been really “Active” in these forums. I may disagree with you on aspects about this video game, but I don’t mean you any kinda ill will. If you would like to talk one on one, in a private setting, I will. I really don’t see the need for this much anger. ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/270 "2026-03-26T04:05:45Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Why not? I guess because of game mechanics? Well that may not be the right word, how about Eve’s belief of rules and whatnot or looked through a “Lore” scope? High security, from what I understand, means security in the area/system is abundant or especially on guard. Or looking at it another way, a place where there is a sizable and proactive security force. Some place like the “wealthy” parts of a city. A negative 10 security status means the worst status you could have with the security faction. you are basically Bad guy #1 on all the Security’s list If both of these are true, then they cannot co exist in the same place. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/271 "2026-03-26T04:21:16Z")
> [@Darquies\_Shade](#): > > how about Eve’s belief of rules and whatnot or looked through a “Lore” scope? Have you given any thought to what the game lore actually is? We are in New Eden, a dsytopian region, controlled by corrupt violent regimes. Where in this lore did you come to the naive belief that you are safe? > [@Darquies\_Shade](#): > > you are basically Bad guy #1 on all the Security’s list I have positive standings with the Caldari Navy and the various royal families of Amarr and Great Khanid beyond. I am even welcome in the Gallente Federation, where I have become something of a celebrity holostar. ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/272 "2026-03-26T04:26:26Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Have you given any thought to what the game lore actually is? Ok then, please educate me. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > We are in New Eden, a dsytopian region, controlled by corrupt violent regimes. Understandable, then why is there a classification of the various security status of systems. How you make it out to be, then ALL of this game should be Null Sec. Why is it not then? > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I have positive standings with the Caldari Navy and the various royal families of Amarr and Great Khanid beyond. I am even welcome in the Gallente Federation, where I have become something of a celebrity holostar. correct me if I am wrong, but that has nothing to do with security status, no? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/273 "2026-03-26T04:26:40Z")
> [@Darquies\_Shade](#): > > Ok then, please educate me. I just did? For more Aiko lore, please read my [About Me](https://www.james315.space/who-is-aiko/). ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/274 "2026-03-26T04:27:46Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I just did? I am sorry, but saying basically “because I said so” will not be enough. I would rather you say, you don’t want to take the time or effort to do so ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/275 "2026-03-26T04:28:15Z")
> [@Darquies\_Shade](#): > > saying basically “because I said so” will not be enough. It seems to be working very well for me. 👸🏻 ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/276 "2026-03-26T04:28:28Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > For more Aiko lore, please read my [About Me](https://www.james315.space/who-is-aiko/). I don’t want to take the time or effort to do so ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/277 "2026-03-26T04:29:48Z")
Well, if you choose to be ignorant about the game you are playing, that certainly explains your ignorance! Good luck capsuleer! ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/278 "2026-03-26T04:30:53Z")
and if you choose to act that you have some say as to how the game functions because you are you. this explains your reluctance. Good luck to you as well, capsuleer. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/279 "2026-03-26T04:31:06Z")
> [@Darquies\_Shade](#): > > Understandable, then why is there a classification of the various security status of systems. How you make it out to be, then ALL of this game should be Null Sec. Why is it not then? This is just the time it takes for CONCORD to punish criminals, that’s it. We as capsuleers are allowed to do some terrible things…even something as seemingly innocuous as Planetary Industry causes mass death, especially in the more populated systems of High Sec. [Xenocracy | EVE Universe](https://universe.eveonline.com/chronicles/xenocracy) The SOE and even our own mission agents regularly tell us how horrible we are and the amount of deaths we cause. You’re lack of reading is not an excuse to think that this universe we play in is anything but dystopian. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/280 "2026-03-26T04:32:26Z")
> [@Darquies\_Shade](#): > > you have some say as to how the game functions because you are you This is correct. I permit some to mine, and others are denied the opportunity to mine. It is ultimately my prerogative. ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/281 "2026-03-26T04:42:26Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > [Xenocracy | EVE Universe](https://universe.eveonline.com/chronicles/xenocracy) that is disgusting. In that case, If thats how “the average capsuleer” acts and whatnot and is treated in Lore Then CCP should make everything with no Security status. I will no longer use Lore any longer. But we both know CCP will not. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/282 "2026-03-26T04:42:56Z")
> [@Darquies\_Shade](#): > > I will no longer use Lore any longer. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Darquies\_Shade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darquies_shade/32/410887_2.png) [@Darquies\_Shade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darquies_Shade)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/283 "2026-03-26T04:44:58Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > It is ultimately my prerogative. Oh! so rules do not apply to you Such Hubris ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2026, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/284 "2026-03-26T04:45:20Z")
> [@Darquies\_Shade](#): > > rules do not apply to you I think you are starting to understand! 👩🏻‍🏫 Indeed, I am Aiko the Danuja. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063.md?page=15)