# Why is it so easy to recover bad security status. Endless suicide ganking in high sec with 0 penalty **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [October 11, 2025, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063 "2025-10-11T10:31:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lissa\_Kalissa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lissa_kalissa/32/479052_2.png) [@Lissa\_Kalissa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lissa_Kalissa)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/21 "2025-10-11T12:12:04Z")
> [@Ace\_Lonewolf](#): > > Its a simple consideration do you think the game is made better or worse by a handful of thrashers/catalysts/tornado’s sitting on a gate or station instant killing people I don’t think ot make better or worse but if someone sitting on gate it means he ganking people and how you know he is there is you send an scout alt. Either go through another gate or wait until he is gone and play another character. > [@Ace\_Lonewolf](#): > > Its a game, everything and anything can be changed. Lots of things have been changed over the years If they wanted to be changed they would done it long time ago. Change the way you play instead of want everybody else change their play. ---
**Author:** ![Ace\_Lonewolf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ace_lonewolf/32/475596_2.png) [@Ace\_Lonewolf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ace_Lonewolf)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/22 "2025-10-11T12:13:34Z")
then why not just remove high sec completely. make the entire game full null sec PVP rules. Because that will immediately kill the game. All Pvp all the time cannot be sustained. people need a safe zone to get started ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/23 "2025-10-11T12:16:37Z")
> [@Ace\_Lonewolf](#): > > then why not just remove high sec completely. why ? does not make sense …. > [@Ace\_Lonewolf](#): > > people need a safe zone to get started they have ! called starting zone and there are about 12 starting zones … but as you leave youre free and then you have to lern or you just die ! and HS is not your personal safe zone … its just one space for a different gamestyle like low / null / WH or pochven space … non of them has safe zones and all of them have different mechanics and different play styles ! ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/24 "2025-10-11T13:14:34Z")
> [@Ace\_Lonewolf](#): > > Because that will immediately kill the game. All Pvp all the time cannot be sustained. people need a safe zone to get started This is a misconception. People outside HS do not only do PvP. They also mine, gather, build, trade. An EVE without safe zone would easily have a sustainable economy. The only thing EVE could possibly be lacking without HS is an environment in which new players without player organization can learn the basics of the game in relative safety until the value of their ships is high enough to draw attention of PvP players. This is what HS is for: a dangerous PvP environment like all others, but with CONCORD to deter most of the low-value kills. You still get killed in more expensive ships though, just like in any other environment if you do not take the right precautions. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 1:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/25 "2025-10-11T13:47:21Z")
> [@Ace\_Lonewolf](#): > > why not just remove high sec completely. This is the solution. ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/26 "2025-10-11T13:52:38Z")
> [@Ace\_Lonewolf](#): > > If people want to suicide gank they can, just not for effortless 0 skill income. > > […] this current state of press F1 triple your money needs to stop.” Just like about the mechanics to defend, you have no real clue about what is all mechanically involved in ganking. Like the gankers don’t magically respawn in their ships, you know? Also for profit you need to scout ships. You have to acquire, transport and sell off loot. You have to acquire and provide new ships. “Press F1” is only a fraction of the work involved. You really need to try to get deeper insights into EVE mechanics and not stay on the surface and reduce everything just to the obvious visible. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/27 "2025-10-11T14:01:01Z")
> [@Ace\_Lonewolf](#): > > Suicide ganking needs some kind of limiting factor or way we can counter play stuff like this. Um, just looking at his kills, he is one-shotting targets _with pathetically low tank_. Often greedy people with expanded cargo holds that weaken ship structure. So there’s your solution. Don’t blame the gankers…blame the people who don’t know how to fit their ships. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/28 "2025-10-11T14:28:47Z")
> [@Ace\_Lonewolf](#): > > There is just no counter play to this. The counter play to an arty tornado is called “transversal velocity” - hope this helps. It’s also trivially defeated by instadock/undock bookmarks. I could fly an untanked T1 hauler past this guy all day without getting got. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDisk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flyingdisk/32/473076_2.png) [@FlyingDisk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FlyingDisk)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/29 "2025-10-11T15:30:02Z")
> [@Ace\_Lonewolf](#): > > There is just no counter play to this. Quit. This clearly isn’t the game for you, and we can all do without your bleating and crying on the forums about people playing the game as intended. CCP has repeatedly and continuously nerfed ganking, but it’s never enough for you. ---
**Author:** ![Aallin\_Gicquet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aallin_gicquet/32/510703_2.png) [@Aallin\_Gicquet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aallin_Gicquet)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/30 "2025-10-11T17:22:17Z")
OKAY here is how counter gankers. You can find this outline in any number of other posts here on the forums, reddit, and on youtube. Nothing in this is earth shaking or unique. First plan your route. What systems do you intend to go through? Second there is plenty of third party tools that one can use. Dotlan and zkill are the most popular. Third See when was the last time a ships was destroyed. I generally go back at least 3 hours to gain an insight when the gankers are most active. Fourth If you are hauling cargo. Especially if it is a large multi billion isk cargo. Either have someone be a scout or use an alt. Now this is not going to prevent you from being ganked. It will reduce the chances of being ganked. Ganking is part of the ecosystem and is not going to go away any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDisk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flyingdisk/32/473076_2.png) [@FlyingDisk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FlyingDisk)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/31 "2025-10-11T20:04:34Z")
They know all this. The only effort they’re not allergic to is the constant demands for CCP to remove all risk from the game for them. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/32 "2025-10-11T20:36:13Z")
If only someone had written a guide… > [@A Nobody's Guide to Not Getting Ganked](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-nobodys-guide-to-not-getting-ganked/404860): > > Before we begin, we need to clearly define what we mean by ganking. For the purposes of this guide, ganking is an attack on a ship in high sec that results in the attacker being destroyed by CONCORD. That means that while some of these suggestions might help in low-sec, null-sec, or J-space, but that is not the primary goal of this guide. First of all, set all the known ganking groups to orange or red in your contacts list. Type the name of the group in the search bar in your Eve client (its… ---
**Author:** ![Aallin\_Gicquet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aallin_gicquet/32/510703_2.png) [@Aallin\_Gicquet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aallin_Gicquet)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/33 "2025-10-11T20:37:35Z")
It seems a lot of people are allergic to doing the common sense things. Such as not flying either you are not ready for or being too expensive to lose. Ignoring the overview and dscan for reasons. Thinking an ill fitted ship should survive against all reason and logic. Not be shot at because it’s not fair. And the list goes on and on with several variations on many of the themes. Playing a game that even the advertisements make plain is not your typical space ship game. With a 20+ year reputation of being brutal and unforgiving. That surviving in New Eden means constantly stepping up and being OK with losing ships. Taking each loss, not as a personal insult or being butt hurt, but as a chance to learn. Yet here we all are again with yet another player crying in his pod. Over something that should being taken as a chance to learn and work on reducing the chances again. I am only year and half in this game. Barely scratching the surface and seem to have better sense than this OP. Who has been here for the last 2 years and 2 months?!Edit: I read it wrong he has been playing since 2009. Seriously? SMH.. Allergic does not seem to cover it. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/34 "2025-10-11T21:26:16Z")
I get tired of seeing these posts. In the old days, no one would care and just say get gud. Now days, all I can say is make an effort. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/35 "2025-10-11T21:43:53Z")
Try harder. Whine less. ---
**Author:** ![Aely\_Andedare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aely_andedare/32/476290_2.png) [@Aely\_Andedare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aely_Andedare)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/36 "2025-10-11T22:54:34Z")
Using programs to control multiple accounts using a single click is occurring in high sec ganking. What is also an issue is the absence of consequence for doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2025, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/37 "2025-10-11T23:05:55Z")
The miners are also botting. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2025, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/38 "2025-10-12T01:32:27Z")
Input broadcasting is a separate issue… ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2025, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/39 "2025-10-12T01:40:47Z")
I don’t see where you attempted to use a webber. Couldnt have used a scout either sine you would ghave seen the massive gank fleet in local. Juding by this you made NO attempt to protect your freighter. Is this accurate? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2025, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063/40 "2025-10-12T04:02:01Z")
I’ve been playing EVE for 20 years, and I’ve been ganked twice. Two times in 20 years. So no, it’s not an epidemic. There are plenty of countermeasures, you people just refuse to use them. High sec is not, never has been, and never will be a safe space…. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-it-so-easy-to-recover-bad-security-status-endless-suicide-ganking-in-high-sec-with-0-penalty/499063.md?page=3)