# Why is the Noctis so awful? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 8, 2024, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511 "2024-01-08T12:09:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/21 "2024-01-08T14:38:22Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Noctis is a pretty good ship Tell me next time you fly one and where, I have a surprise for you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/22 "2024-01-08T14:40:05Z")
> [@Calamity\_Unleashed](#): > > If you’re going to use any random word the Original Poster You very literally **quoted** him talking about ganks where your reply is about non-ganks ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/23 "2024-01-08T14:40:41Z")
Joke is on you I am a single account main so that ship is useless to me! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/24 "2024-01-08T14:41:12Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > that ship is useless to me! That’s what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/25 "2024-01-08T14:42:48Z")
I used to use a Noctis to salvage for friends. Unless things have changed, you can cloak up if anything suspicious shows up on D-Scan. It’s align time is effectively 0 because with all that tractor range you can almost always be aligned to something and still pull anything on the battlefield you want to salvage. There’s no reason why you’d have to be a stationary sitting duck like you’d have to be with an MTU setup. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/26 "2024-01-08T14:44:31Z")
Ive used a noctis to salvage L4 missions and large enough cargo to carry up to 5 MTUs and all loot from even the extravaganza missions. Never lost her. ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/27 "2024-01-08T14:45:49Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > You very literally **quoted** him talking about ganks where your reply is about non-ganks That doesn’t mean his thread is about Noctis in ganks. He mentioned it as exemple, in passsing. There is nothing in his OP about ganks. His OP is about how useful is the ship, it’s cargo space, its price… But if you want to talk about ganks, let’s do it. Do you seriously think that a Noctis can survive a gank? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/28 "2024-01-08T14:47:05Z")
Well difference between a noctis and a dessie aside from price and usefulness is bonuses and alphas cannot use a noctis ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/29 "2024-01-08T14:48:35Z")
@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras Apparently, according to Aisha, this thread is about the Noctis in a Gank and can it survive it. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/30 "2024-01-08T14:48:38Z")
> [@Calamity\_Unleashed](#): > > Do you seriously think that a Noctis can survive a gank? Again, stop being dumb. Anything can be ganked. The POINT is (and what you quoted and replied to) is that it’s not really an issue much. It’s very obvious you’re changing the subject to avoid your oopsie, perhaps sperg post a bit less. ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/31 "2024-01-08T14:51:21Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > It’s very obvious you’re changing the subject to avoid your oopsie, perhaps sperg post a bit less If that’s obvious then okay. You see what you want to see. I see a huge arse ship that couldn’t turn its arse in less than 20sec, enough to blow up twice. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/32 "2024-01-08T14:52:41Z")
I use a Noctis out of the Gulfonodi L4 Mission Hub. I welcome gankers always and everywhere. For me, the Noctis is hands-down the most useful mission-hoover in Highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/33 "2024-01-08T14:54:58Z")
@Done25 You forgot to mention that your thread is only about Highsec and Ganking. I don’t operate in Highsec. Apologies for derailing the thread. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/34 "2024-01-08T14:59:34Z")
> [@Calamity\_Unleashed](#): > > couldn’t turn its arse in less than 20sec That’s at 0 skills, stop being dumb. Also: > [@Sarah\_Olson](#): > > The align time is easily brought 10 secs with a MWD or 8 secs with a AB ---
**Author:** ![Calamity\_Unleashed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/calamity_unleashed/32/413414_2.png) [@Calamity\_Unleashed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Calamity_Unleashed)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/35 "2024-01-08T15:07:18Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > That’s at 0 skills, stop being dumb. Also: > > > [@Sarah\_Olson](#): > > > > The align time is easily brought 10 secs with a MWD or 8 secs with a AB Well, maybe it’s not Spare Ribs. More like Toast. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/37 "2024-01-08T15:17:37Z")
You can get praxis with enormous tank, with salvagers, its pretty good for alphas and it have some uses. But of course destroyer with mtu is a lot cheaper. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/38 "2024-01-08T15:17:42Z")
Oh yah Edencom used the noctis ALOT. It’s the only dedicated salvaging ship in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/39 "2024-01-08T15:18:43Z")
Noctis could be there only for tractoring, there is no other ship that can tractor like that. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/40 "2024-01-08T15:50:15Z")
I agree the Noctis is a complete waste of time. You can fit expanded cargo holders and get it up to 3000 m3…but… You can also get a Praxis to 3000 m3 with expanded cargo holders…_and_ have 83K EHP tank compared with the Noctis 10K…_and_ if you fit 5 salvagers and 2 mega lasers you can have 400 DPS…_and_ fit the Praxis to have a 9 second align time compared to the 15 seconds for the Noctis. ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511/41 "2024-01-08T17:22:04Z")
You have no idea what you are talking about. With Exp Cargo IIs and T2 Cargo Rigs it has more room than you could ever need to loot/salvage any mission wrecks. You only need a single midslot for a MWD. Not sure what you’d even use the 2nd for. The tractor bonuses and the 8 HIGH SLOTS are unmatched. And if you are doing anything right, you’d use MTUs while running the sites and you show up with 8 salvagers with a Noctis. Scoop up everything, including MTUs, loot and salvage and still have a few thousand m3 left. It is not a ‘hauler’ It is an INDUSTRIAL ship with a very specific purpose. Cleaning up wrecks. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-is-the-noctis-so-awful/435511.md?page=3)