# Why newbies don't stay **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 27, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100 "2019-06-27T14:24:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 3:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/204 "2019-06-29T03:40:52Z")
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**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/205 "2019-06-29T04:37:45Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > By leaving the corporation a few days afterwards I lost a Titan, an Orca, a Prophecy and a character with augmentations. Sorry, but no guidance, SP, or “choices” will compensate ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/206 "2019-06-29T04:45:32Z")
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**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/207 "2019-06-29T04:49:57Z")
I don’t believe you are serious about this. I demand a proof. You choose, impress me. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/208 "2019-06-29T04:54:29Z")
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**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 5:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/209 "2019-06-29T05:00:58Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > By leaving the corporation a few days afterwards I lost a Titan, an Orca, a Prophecy and a character with augmentations. I am still wondering if you really meant that you had a titan on that character. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 5:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/210 "2019-06-29T05:04:29Z")
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**Author:** ![zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zazzmatazz_xu/32/451037_2.png) [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zazzmatazz_Xu)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/211 "2019-06-29T05:13:07Z")
> [@Kashara](#): > > unless you belong to the 1% who stayed, then got lucky and really continued to play. I stayed but am not part of the 1%, billionaire yes, 1% no, the secret of my success is simply skilling up and using those skills to build and sale, most of my income is from this activity. It takes time but once you cross a threshold in whatever direction you go you’ll know that your income will grow at a certain level over time. ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/212 "2019-06-29T07:31:18Z")
Ok. CCP have statistics how many players do not hook up after first week of playing. Do they have data why they left after a week? I was send questionnarie when I unistalled a game some time ago with questions why I left. Back when I started were carrer agent missions. They were learning basics about activities like combat, exploration etc. We have ship tree feature now that shows us what types of modules hulls are primarly using. Last but not least new agency show all you can do here. It’s really easier now. ---
**Author:** ![Fennel\_Thau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fennel_thau/32/144250_2.png) [@Fennel\_Thau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fennel_Thau)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 7:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/213 "2019-06-29T07:59:31Z")
Hey fellows, I am new. I played for a month around the start of 2019. You may think people are too casual, but its more about the game respecting the player and the player’s time. E.g pve being a very tedious grind, and the fact that bots do menial stuff like ratting and mining make it even more pointless. Requiring multi box for simple needs like comparing prices in other regions. Also no auto travel (optimal travel) and no auto market update just seem like its there to waste my time. There’s just so much competing for my attention these days, why would I speculate on some mediocre pvp which EVE doesn’t even reward (negative EV compared to trading), when I can play chess, street fighter, quake, Dota etc and get interesting gameplay straight away? (And they do it for cheaper too). Not to mention how the internet has opened up avenues into real life interests and hobbies. I’m interested in why you guys play this game. What does it give you that you can’t get anywhere else faster and for less cost. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/214 "2019-06-29T08:32:53Z")
> [@Kilon\_Alios](#): > > “EVE is a sandbox game” > > They use the term as if it means , no or little limitation , to describe the freedom they feel in game. > > Unfortunately this is a classical case of > > “I don’t think it means what you think it does” > > Sandbox is actually the exact opposite , its a term used and popularized by software developers to mean code executed under extremely limited environment. That environment essentially means very limited access to computer resources for security reasons. Wrong! Sandbox means box filled with sand for childeren to play in. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/215 "2019-06-29T08:38:00Z")
Which is inherently a very restricted space where you can only build certain things, dig only so deep and cannot leave the boundrys of the sand box. Sounds pretty much like what Kilon said. 🤔 And even in that very restricted space people are overwhelmed and CCP now wants to overwhelm them even more with free SP that they do not know how to spent after they wasted 5 additional RL currency on CCP’s game. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/216 "2019-06-29T08:39:24Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Sounds pretty much like what Kilon said. 🤔 No, it didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 8:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/217 "2019-06-29T08:43:43Z")
> [@Fennel\_Thau](#): > > I’m interested in why you guys play this game. What does it give you that you can’t get anywhere else faster and for less cost. A change from the on-rails themeparks and twitchy games with crazy key combos. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 8:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/218 "2019-06-29T08:46:31Z")
There are two ways of looking at a sandbox 1. it is a space where children can freely play 2. it is a space where you can keep the children safe from the outside (and the outside safe from the children) Take your pick. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/219 "2019-06-29T08:50:24Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > By leaving the corporation a few days afterwards I lost a Titan, an Orca, a Prophecy and a character with augmentations. You lost a Titan? ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/220 "2019-06-29T08:50:53Z")
You missed the 3rd option: The outside dictates what the inside can do. Outside in this case can be null sec blobs that dictate what the inside (new contenders for a sov system or low sec area or even just a passerby) can do by exerting overwhelming force onto them. I choose Option 3 because that is what really happens. Your options are naive and inaccurate. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 8:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/221 "2019-06-29T08:59:34Z")
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**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/222 "2019-06-29T09:01:32Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I didn’t want to make 27 jumps to the Horde with a Titan and couldn’t transport it with even the biggest cargo hauler so, yes, in a way, I lost it because I felt compelled/forced to sell it. You are certain it was a **Titan**. As in, an Avatar, or a Leviathan, or an Erebus, or a Ragnarok. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/223 "2019-06-29T09:05:58Z")
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