# Why newbies don't stay **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 27, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100 "2019-06-27T14:24:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/326 "2019-07-01T06:53:27Z")
> [@Kashara](#): > > What if corps pursued their goals, and you’d contribute, > **[DOTLAN EveMaps: School of Applied Knowledge - Agents](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/npc/School_of_Applied_Knowledge/agents)** > > Corporation: School of Applied Knowledge | Faction: Caldari State || The School of Applied Knowledge focuses mainly on technical studies and is considered the best school for aspiring engineers. The school collaborates with many leading Caldari... Done, now they can stay. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/327 "2019-07-01T07:01:18Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Then the next class would continually step the new player up until they were playing comfortably on their own. This honestly sounds like a colossal waste of time. A new player can be helped to play comfortably on their own within 2-3 days without requiring “player guided tutorials” or this weird “4331” thing. Not everyone has the time to be hand held, nor are there enough people (competent ones) who are going to effectively take on a second job like this. Newbie focused corporations have already managed to get people up and running within a matter 10-15 minutes whether it be by chatting with them on voice comms and pointing them towards a well developed resource. Also, this is just me, but I don’t think it’s cool to volunteer someone else for a suggestion you’ve come up unless you’re willing to put in the time and effort yourself to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 7:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/328 "2019-07-01T07:11:31Z")
Oh dry your eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darth_schweinebacke/32/497371_2.png) [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darth_Schweinebacke)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/329 "2019-07-01T10:34:16Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Also, this is just me, but I don’t think it’s cool to volunteer someone else for a suggestion you’ve come up unless you’re willing to put in the time and effort yourself to do it. No it´s not just you… but you know… everything that takes any kind of effort these days and does not result in max isk/h is a waste of time for most ppl. So it´s only natural that ppl make these kinds of suggestions and passing on the workload to other ppl. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/331 "2019-07-01T11:23:23Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > > > everything that takes any kind of effort these dasy and does not result in max isk/h is a waste of time for most ppl. > > Lol ? what are your proof? You are just badmouthing. > > Reported for insults. A lot of people are actually helping a lot, without any kind of reward in terms of isk, even more often than not by spending their own isks. I personally give (way) over 200M per week to newbros / people coming back and I feel insulted by your affirmations. Where’s your proof? Still reported for abusing the forum report function, there wasn’t any insults in his reply to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/332 "2019-07-01T11:44:12Z")
The report feature on these forums is hilarious. Edit - I can report myself! ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Ambulance](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_ambulance/32/48290_2.png) [@Black\_Ambulance](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Ambulance)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/333 "2019-07-01T11:46:08Z")
cos CCP keep kicking into our sandcastles in the Sandbox ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/334 "2019-07-01T11:58:30Z")
I think there’s a fairly huge difference between why **new** players leave the game, and the current struggles of someone who has spent months only living in highsec. I don’t really think it’s appropriate for people to use the issue of newbro retention rates to try and push their own highsec agenda. Unless you’ve got some kind of proof that shows newbros are impacted by the exact same problems highsec natives do. For reference, you can talk about getting wardec’d or ganked all you want. But the numbers show that most new people stop playing within a week. I would be **incredibly** hard pressed to find a new player who has anchored a structure and gotten wardec’d in that 1 week period. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darth_schweinebacke/32/497371_2.png) [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darth_Schweinebacke)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/335 "2019-07-01T12:05:25Z")
There is more than enough proof of my statement on these very forums alone. Somebody who is as active as you on the forums hardly can have missed all the posts where ppl are given a solution to certain problems and people just jump in with “but there is no profit in that”. Pretty much everytime a solution is suggested where teamwork is a solution to their problem, they refuse to accept it with exactly that reason. Because there is no direct profit for them in it. There might still be exceptions around, but in general the people in EvE these days who are actually willing to sacrifice their own game time for other ppls or their corps benefit is a minority. At the very least that is my pesonal experience and what a lot of posts on these forums reflect. Also… report me all you want I don´t care… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/336 "2019-07-01T12:06:27Z")
> [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > Pretty much everytime a solution is suggested where teamwork is a solution to their problem, they refuse to accept it with exactly that reason. Because they are here to troll for responses and dont actually play. ftfy 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darth_schweinebacke/32/497371_2.png) [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darth_Schweinebacke)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/337 "2019-07-01T12:09:01Z")
Well, while this works too, I guess. I am just giving ppl the benefit of a doubt, that they are not just blatently trolling all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/338 "2019-07-01T12:12:13Z")
Its more the issue that the more the question makes you go “What? How can you not know?” the more likely they are to be disingenuous. In the EvE O Forum Game I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/339 "2019-07-01T12:22:23Z")
> [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > There is more than enough proof of my statement on these very forums alone. Somebody who is as active as you on the forums hardly can have missed all the posts where ppl are given a solution to certain problems and people just jump in with “but there is no profit in that”. That’s not a proof. The only fact you have, is that “answers on the forum to activities are often disregarded as not making profit”. Nothing more. However Most eve players don’t go on the forums. Most people who go on the forum don’t want to waste their time with trolls. Most people who are still willing to spend time only post when doing so would bring something constructive to the forum. Just because you notice a lot of bad reactions does not mean that most people have bad opinion. Actually a lot of people I met do not share this stupid “I want to play a video game to be rich within it”. Greed in a video game burns your soul to ashes. What people should sought instead is social interactions, and the wealth to be able to sustain it. I know a _lot_ of people who spend their time helping newbros. I give 1B here, 1B there, and they use it for team activities, corporation SRP, a new structure in a WH. They don’t get wealth from it. I don’t either (I’m not even blue, they shoot me if I go in the WH). Sure if you look at the bad people, you can claim “in this sample of bad people, 100% of person are bad people”. But you can’t generalize from the common forum troll to the general state of mind of Eve players. > [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > but in general the people in EvE these days who are actually willing to sacrifice their own game time for other ppls or their corps benefit is a minority. At the very least that is my pesonal experience and what a lot of posts on these forums reflect. That’s the complete opposite of my real experience in the Eve game. I met several social groups and most of them don’t care about income. The social activity is more interesting, even if you can make less money than in other activities. Giving money to newbros so they can burn it with you is the usual way to go. Even in “big blocks” like PH there are people taking the time for newbros, VNI lending, and the smaller the corporation (in my experience), the more help a newbro can receive. I totally agree with you that many people answer in stupid ways on the forum, although if it’s their opinion I can’t judge it. But don’t say people in the game are greedy. Newbros are because it’s difficult. older players are on the opposite eager to help, in the general case. And maybe you met only bad people in the game. If that’s the case I’m sorry for you, it happens. And I’m not even bragging. I give back what I received, which was mostly time of other people sharing their knowledge and their enjoyment of the game. Please edit your previous post (the one I flagged) and add to it “on those forums”. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/340 "2019-07-01T12:41:38Z")
> [@Kashara](#): > > How about overhauling the SOS Epic Arc and making the career agent line lead directly into it? The answer does not lie in more stupid missions. As far as I’m concerned, missions have nothing to do with this game. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/341 "2019-07-01T12:54:50Z")
> [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > No it´s not just you… but you know… everything that takes any kind of effort these dasy and does not result in max isk/h is a waste of time for most ppl Where is the insult in that? Stop wasting my time by false flagging peoples replies. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine\_Deer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jasmine_deer/32/206152_2.png) [@Jasmine\_Deer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jasmine_Deer)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/342 "2019-07-01T12:55:33Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > > [@dewk](#): > > > > Any good PVP player tend to go for the more interest fights and almost never pod kill, unless the enemy just pisses them off after the fight. > > I don’t get it, why would you not pod. The pod is the best part of the ship, you never know what you get. It’s basically a non-microtransaction surprise mechanic and you know people love surprises. Maybe because you want to have a conversation with the player while they are still in the system ? Or you know exchange a “gf” or something in local ? Or give them a chance to re-ship nearby and have another round of PvP? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/343 "2019-07-01T12:59:04Z")
Thats what scrams are for, just use on pod before you helpfully send them back home to mummy. Or Daddy. Im not one to pass judgement on people’s private lives, yknow. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/344 "2019-07-01T13:24:37Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Where is the insult in that? The insult is in claiming that _most_ ppl only play in order to farm more iskies. Where _most_ is not defined nor backed by any data nor has any limit and is thus the same as _all_ . This is an insult because he claims every single player in eve is driven by greed, except maybe for some rare persons. Though I agree that many people express opinions close to this one on the forum (yet I don’t see greed in them often), generalizing from “many people on a forum” to “most players of eve” is looking down the complexity of Eve system. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/345 "2019-07-01T13:33:35Z")
Hey Drac, you still too chicken to give your location or any of your character names? What’s that? Still hiding from the New Order? Still scared? Okay, just checking. BAWWWWWK BAWK BAWK BAWK BAWKBAWK BAWK BAWK BAWK 🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔 ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine\_Deer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jasmine_deer/32/206152_2.png) [@Jasmine\_Deer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jasmine_Deer)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100/346 "2019-07-01T13:34:25Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > > [@Jasmine\_Deer](#): > > > > Even when I refused to pay on principle or because the ransom seemed disproportionate to the loss and I duly lost my ship no one ever podded me. > > Ummm, your killboard… i’ve been podded plenty of times by random silent types, small roams and gate campers but never by someone who wanted a ransom. It’s no big deal either way . I j just find it interesting that I don’t run into solo pirates with ransom requests these days. Hopefully they still exist as it was part of the fun of playing in lowsec as opposed to the "meh’ experience of dying to a gatecamp. Possibly there were more people interested in adding a RP element to gameplay once. And yes, I’m sure there were players who would not honour ransom payments and would pod you regardless. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-newbies-dont-stay/170100.md?page=18)