# Why not CCP just cancel all High Sec area? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 19, 2020, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137 "2020-08-19T03:07:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/187 "2020-08-27T22:03:21Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > You think so? > > I just lost a dual rep tank Astero to a Heron. I have only been playing for a few months and I thought I was finally ready to gank an explorer in Nullsec. Joke was on me… the guy lit me up like the fourth of July. Not sure what I did wrong other than jump the wrong guy. He said he knew I was in the system and was baiting me. He had fitted it for full pvp. He didn’t even have a probe launcher fit lol. Well, this is an expensive lesson. Not sure hat the lesson is other than I am not ready for pv… Yes, I did read that post. Thanks for bringing it up. But don’t tell I’ll never be able to be the hunter in this game because I won’t believe you. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/188 "2020-08-27T22:08:17Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Don’t get your kickers in a bunch. I meant no disrespect. I’m not. Also, I’m not averse to helping out materially to someone with potential (and do it quite often, in fact). > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > That kind of help I will accept but I will not accept free ships and modules just to participate in a fleet. I hold my own or I better play another game. Ship replacement programs are very standard for most _good_ PvP organizations. If you are contributing to the well-being and opportunities available to your group with your presence, the group covers your expenditures. It’s just common sense, really. Fighting someone else’s war using your own gear is fundamentally unfair. That’s why I’m saying: don’t get hung up about the freebies. Material help is an incentive, and not something used to patronize you. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/189 "2020-08-27T22:13:38Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Ship replacement programs are very standard for most _good_ PvP organizations. If you are contributing to the well-being and opportunities available to your group with your presence, the group covers your expenditures. It’s just common sense, really. Fighting someone else’s war using your own gear is fundamentally unfair. It’s not unfair if you’re in the corporation being attacked and it needs defending, is it ? Of course, if the corp. I join has that replacement program anyway then the issue is closed. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > That’s why I’m saying: don’t get hung up about the freebies. Material help is an incentive, and not something used to patronize you. If that’s the EVE way then I won’t argue about it. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/190 "2020-08-27T22:19:37Z")
More or less settled, then. If you have any questions or need help, don’t hesitate to make a new thread. Maybe in the Warfare & Tactics section? It’s very underutilized. You can also mail me directly in-game. Personally, I can answer most questions that deal with PvP stuff, and some that deal with advanced combat PvE like wormholes and Abyssal sites. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/191 "2020-08-27T22:21:21Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > But don’t tell I’ll never be able to be the hunter in this game because I won’t believe you. I’m more saying that it’s not SP or the ship you fly that allows you to be the hunter. But experience. By all indicators that guy thought he was going to be the hunter. But an experienced player might tell when an opponent is making things just a little too easy for them and it may infact be themselves that are being hunted. What I’m trying to say is, learn the difference of who’s really hunting who whilst things are cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/192 "2020-08-27T22:25:24Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You can also mail me directly in-game. Personally, I can answer most questions that deal with PvP stuff, and some that deal with advanced combat PvE like wormholes and Abyssal sites. Please don’t mind if I do. Every little bit of info is useful and thank you for the engaging/interesting posts ! ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/193 "2020-08-27T22:30:25Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > What I’m trying to say is, learn the difference of who’s really hunting who whilst things are cheap. Great piece of advice. Thank you. That’s what I meant by not being ready “today”. There’s some basic stuff I need to know/learn before I do move to null. I do realize that experience is crucial for learning PVP in EVE but I can get that experience anywhere, in hi, low or null, right? As you mentioned, I better experience when things are still cheap in relation to my skills / ISK. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/194 "2020-08-27T22:43:31Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > I do realize that experience is crucial for learning PVP in EVE but I can get that experience anywhere, in hi, low or null, right? **High-sec** : you’re generally safe unless you’re doing something dumb, like AFK-mining, or carrying a lot of stuff in a paper-thin hauler. If you’re a member of a “normal” high-sec corporation, you might get some incoming wars from merc corps. This can actually be a decent way to learn specific survival strategies (just don’t let the carebear attitudes of the other members rub off on you). You can also join such a merc group. If I were more active right now, and not alone, I’d invite you. But there are others. Look for one with low entry reqs. Another interesting thing you can try is flying around suspect-flagged. If you do it away from hubs where all the hardmen hang out, you might gets some bites from “normal” players. **Low-sec** : generally…_dead_. There are chunks of low-sec space in which you might see just one or two players a day. PvP consists of either gate camps, or the occasional pirate hopping systems looking for someone to kill in a belt or a site. You can try being that pirate, I guess, but you’ll have to work _hard_ just to find a viable target. It’s _that_ dead. The plus side is that you can do mid-tier PvE to your satisfaction. **Null-sec** : most of it is a blue doughnut, and you’ll be trapped and killed when you show up (as soon as they have the requisite 200 members “x up” for the defense fleet to kill your single Thorax). There are also NPC null-sec regions, which feel more like a more populated low-sec. Not a bad place to be (I keep a little outpost in Stain myself), but generally not great unless you’re a member of one of the local corporations/alliances. **Wormholes** : very solo-friendly because of the delayed local. The flip side, as you can see in Daichi’s linked thread, is that they’re full of hardcore ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ that will ■■■■ your ■■■■ up. Of course, they’re also full of weekend tourists just there to run some sites or whatever. You can totally probe out wormholes, and run the exploration content in cheap T1 frigates. Maybe harvest some gas. On top of that, have some PvP ships on standby so that you can jump the people doing the exact same thing. At your current stage, you probably won’t be able to kill wormhole ratters _alone_, because the tanks required to do those sites are pretty hefty. I’d say that a nice PvP cruiser might be effective for trying to gank people in C1-C2 wormholes. You would be best served joining a wormhole group that owns a wormhole with static connections to other wormholes. As I mentioned before, single-ship PvP is effectively dead. You need someone to help you tackle, or if you’re the tackler, someone else to bring the damage. Doing both at the same time, and being consistently successful, would be an outlier situation. One bit of advice: if you want to focus on solo/small-gang activities, some races’ ships are better than others. Gallente is probably the top choice due to the emphasis on active armor tanking and massive DPS. Minmatar is a close second because of very strong active shield tanks, and alpha-strike artillery setups. Amarr and Caldari tie for third place, because of a general lack of utility mid slots. Also, Gallente and Minmatar synergize in their mutual requirements for two very PvP-friendly pirate ship lines. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/195 "2020-08-27T22:50:58Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > … Do you think it’s a good idea to incrementally move from hi to low then from low to null/wh while getting experience or is it better to chose one zone and stick with it ? ---
**Author:** ![Specia1\_K](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/specia1_k/32/245286_2.png) [@Specia1\_K](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Specia1_K)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/196 "2020-08-27T22:55:02Z")
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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/197 "2020-08-27T22:55:12Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Do you think it’s a good idea to incrementally move from hi to low then from low to null/wh while getting experience or is it better to chose one zone and stick with it ? No need. Just look on the map, and filter for jumps. Find a low-sec area that barely has any traffic, and go there right now. There are clusters in Minmatar and Amarr space especially that have **no** players in them. Your only issue might be getting some stuff into the area, but with an alt to scout the gates, that shouldn’t be a problem. Think small - just a few frigates and cruisers, with a nice supply of ammo. You can do low-sec ratting for decent income in your first week, maybe some anomalies too. Wormholes you can go into at any time. Just keep scanning and keep exploring. In my opinion, avoid null-sec unless you’re joining a group. Maybe in a few months, the NPC regions will be a good opportunity, if you insist on continuing to play solo. I still don’t know how long you’ve been playing, and how much SP you have and in what, so I’m just guessing at the first week stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/198 "2020-08-27T23:05:00Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I still don’t know how long you’ve been playing, and how much SP you have and in what, so I’m just guessing at the first week stuff. I’m barely 10 days old, if that, and have about 700,000 skill points. So your guess is fairly good. Thanks for the advice. I’ll get me a disposable cruiser and visit a few low-sec systems in Amarr space tomorrow. I guess I don’t have to live in a zone to operate in that zone and with jump-clones it’s even more feasible. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/199 "2020-08-27T23:06:01Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > I do realize that experience is crucial for learning PVP in EVE but I can get that experience anywhere, in hi, low or null, right? The rules will differ from place to place. In hisec you’ve got crimewatch which affects the circumstances of who can shoot who and why (and killrights). Gate camps look a little different because of concord and using local and d-scan is different because of neutrals. In low sec crimewatch works a little different (and kill rights with it). Gate camps are different, so avoiding them is slightly different. Lack of neutrals makes combat probes more useful (and thus having them on your d-scan is useful). Low sec also has cyno’s mechanics and hot dropping. You’ve got faction warfare mechanics like plexes which restrict ship types (and cynos). Nullsec has bubbles, so gate camps are different again. No crimewatch or kill rights. You probably can’t dock unless you’re in npc null. Cyno mechanics like low-sec. Null recently got ‘storms’ Wormholes has no local. No cynos. No crimewatch. It still has bubbles though. You almost definitely no where to dock. Some systems have an effect on your ship/module stats. Changing entrances and exits. * * * I personally recommend starting off in lowsec, preferably in faction warfare space. It’s the most intuitive form of pvp with the least ‘rules’ to remember. Even if you don’t join faction warfare itself, you can still use the plexes to manage encounters (fight enemies of a similar class. Easiest to avoid blobs/hot drops). ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/200 "2020-08-27T23:11:52Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > I personally recommend starting off in lowsec, preferably in faction warfare space. It’s the most intuitive form of pvp with the least ‘rules’ to remember. Even if you don’t join faction warfare itself, you can still use the plexes to manage encounters (fight enemies of a similar class. Easiest to avoid blobs/hot drops). Thanks for the info ! I’ll go visit some lowsec systems and see what kind of trouble I can get myself into… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/201 "2020-08-27T23:13:21Z")
I actually advise against FW, because it can hurt your standings in the long run. Besides, these days FW is all about the PvE grind, like everything else. But if you _really_ want to give it a shot, hook up with someone like @tutucox_Khamsi, who knows the system much better than I do. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/202 "2020-08-27T23:16:29Z")
No problem. Don’t be afraid to ask people for feedback either. Whilst you may get the odd dick, the vast majority will be happy to tell you what you could have done differently or why things may not have gone as you expected. To some extent they are happy to share fits too. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/203 "2020-08-27T23:21:27Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Besides, these days FW is all about the PvE grind, like everything else. But if you _really_ want to give it a shot, hook up with someone like @tutucox_Khamsi, who knows the system much better than I do. I don’t think FW is in my immediate future but I’ll be sure to contact tutucox\_Khamsi when I do plan on it. As far as the standing is concerned, I may not pay much attention to that if I decide to go the pirate/ratter/ganker/mercenary route, which has been on my mind for some time now. I still have plenty of time to think about those options, though. Hell, I basically just started, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/204 "2020-08-27T23:23:29Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Don’t be afraid to ask people for feedback either. Whilst you may get the odd dick, the vast majority will be happy to tell you what you could have done differently or why things may not have gone as you expected. To some extent they are happy to share fits too. Getting feedback from the person who blows me up is gonna be priceless 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Obed\_Marshh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obed_marshh/32/459118_2.png) [@Obed\_Marshh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obed_Marshh)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/205 "2020-08-27T23:32:33Z")
WH space is my favorite place for solo activities outside of hisec. You don’t need to be in an established corp to run sites and make some decent money. It’s a good place to practice keeping an eye on your scanner and making survival tactics second nature. If you don’t want to make the move to losec or null, then try wormholes. ---
**Author:** ![Alias\_Kova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alias_kova/32/196568_2.png) [@Alias\_Kova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alias_Kova)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2020, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/206 "2020-09-01T02:46:01Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > It really is only significant because of how the players are using the space now. If Niarja had been 0.4 security from the beginning, the use of space by players would be different, but the game would be just fine and largely the same as today. > > So yes, it is a significant disruption from the current status quo, but one that was completely intended. CCP wants to shake things up and force people to adjust to a new, changing environment. No one, including them knows exactly how players will adjust to this particular change, but let’s not act like this is a major change to the core rules of highsec, or the core game itself, like our friend there in the OP. > > Once things settle, highsec itself is almost exactly the same - just reshuffled a bit and a fraction smaller. The most significant thing about this is that it sets the precedent that things can actually change now, and while I get why some people find that thought scary, I agree with CCP that static inputs produce static outputs. So while there is such a thing as too much chaos, we have been suffering a little too much order for the last decade and it is time for a long overdue shake up. CCP just forced players to accept their new rules but created more interesting contents in game to attract players. CCP don’t like PVE so they forces players to fight. CCP hates high-sec players so they removes some high-sec systems. I cannot imagine what CCP will force players to do in future.Maybe some day your ship will explode automatically just because CCP want players to lose their ships. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137.md?page=11)