# Why not CCP just cancel all High Sec area? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 19, 2020, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137 "2020-08-19T03:07:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/44 "2020-08-19T09:15:44Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > The Trigs have “won” [16 systems](https://kybernaut.space/invasions/final-liminality), only 12 of which were in highsec. There are, or I guess were 1212 highsec systems. That still leaves 1200 systems with full CONCORD protection. literally 1 system falling gives more effect than falling of the 100 of the backyard ones. Its more severe for every player who stayed in High sec and played there because he was just the casual gamer who liked to be a small cog in EVE universe, paying sub, flying with his raven and had some hard made ISK he spent on faction modules to pimp it out a bit. I dont think anybody likes when you demolish his home, and high sec was like a home to them. They may fight initially, then they will see thru it. I already posted how CCP sees it, financially. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/45 "2020-08-19T09:36:45Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Much of the frustration people experience in EVE is due to the fact that high-sec is ‘mostly’ safe. As in, it’s ‘safe’ enough that people stop taking precautions and assume they are _actually_ safe, then flip when they get nuked anyway. then the problem is not the space its the pilot they just need to be awake and not go down the pub while their orca is chomping on rocks in space or their pod is on ap to jita > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Plus, all those lame, weaksauce pretend-PvPers roaming around high sec looking for easy ganks, would no longer have a safe space to operate in. They would all be easily popped targets, all the time - just like everyone else. you do realise we are already free to shoot by anyone ,anywhere at any time if you cant be bothered to shoot us then whats the problem. Further High sec is the hardest space to work in as a “criminal” low and null are easy by comparison and we go there for our holidays to chill out. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/46 "2020-08-19T09:40:03Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > I already posted how CCP sees it, financially. That’s a fashionable tin foil hat you are wearing. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/47 "2020-08-19T11:26:52Z")
> [@Aaaarrgg](#): > > > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > > > Plus, all those lame, weaksauce pretend-PvPers roaming around high sec looking for easy ganks, would no longer have a safe space to operate in. They would all be easily popped targets, all the time - just like everyone else. > > you do realise we are already free to shoot by anyone ,anywhere at any time if you cant be bothered to shoot us then whats the problem. Further High sec is the hardest space to work in as a “criminal” low and null are easy by comparison and we go there for our holidays to chill out. This is getting a little off topic, but I do find it a little baffling how so many people don’t see this obvious fact. If nullsec is the “most dangerous” space for farmers and resource generators, that it must be the easiest place for hunters and predators of them. Conversely, if highsec is the safest space to do industry or PvE, then it must be the hardest place for those that consume these non-combatants to operate. Playing as a criminal in highsec is playing Eve on ‘nightmare’ difficulty. You have to deal with one-side aggression mechanics, infallible, tireless NPCs, and guaranteed loss to even try to PvP with someone. People are entitled to their thoughts on hunting non-combatants and non-consensual PvP in general of course, when someone declares that highsec is somehow an easy place to do this always amuses me. So many things in Eve are much easier than being a successful criminal in highsec, and it is much easier to engage in PvP with other players everywhere else in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/48 "2020-08-19T11:34:14Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > Playing as a criminal in highsec is playing Eve on ‘nightmare’ difficulty. No, there is no skill involved. Its just workarounds to kill in high sec. Cheesing your way thru the game. ---
**Author:** ![Katarina\_Neeko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katarina_neeko/32/316543_2.png) [@Katarina\_Neeko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katarina_Neeko)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/49 "2020-08-19T11:39:14Z")
![Untitled55555555555555555554](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/2/62a1df3dc77636615f02bdf6a802014cfb2729d0.png) ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/50 "2020-08-19T12:06:01Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > So many things in Eve are much easier than being a successful criminal in highsec Tedious logistics & alts does not make difficulty. Yes it’s a lot of work, but it’s not ‘hard’. It’s basically maths equations. ---
**Author:** ![Zombie\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zombie_ellecon/32/264152_2.png) [@Zombie\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zombie_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/51 "2020-08-19T12:43:16Z")
I would like to offer you a place to store your items after you quit. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/52 "2020-08-19T13:52:19Z")
“Highsec ganking is SO easy! Mining is where the real challenge is.” ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/53 "2020-08-19T14:22:51Z")
> [@Alias\_Kova](#): > > Why not just cancel high sec I fully agree. ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/55 "2020-08-19T14:30:21Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Amarr was already struggling as a trade hub, sometimes running out of standard T2 equipment. This will magnify the issue Pssttt … it also creates opportunities. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/56 "2020-08-19T14:46:25Z")
With the broker fees the way they are now, it isn’t worth fighting to have more than one hub. Let’s all meet in Jita. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/58 "2020-08-19T15:51:22Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > It takes longer for CCP to kill their own game than most MMO’s last. > > Oooh burn City of Heroes Oddly enough, it wasn’t the devs who killed City of Heroes. They were still actively expanding and growing the game. It was their Korean overlords, apparently for cultural and efficiency reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Spc\_One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spc_one/32/399501_2.png) [@Spc\_One](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spc_One)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/59 "2020-08-19T15:57:58Z")
I was expecting bubbles in niarja, but i didn’t get my bubbles. Where are my bubbles if the system is -0.7 there should be bubbles involved. And where is my cyno ? ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/60 "2020-08-19T15:59:22Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > It really is only significant because of how the players are using the space now. If Niarja had been 0.4 security from the beginning, the use of space by players would be different, but the game would be just fine and largely the same as today. Pedro, you’re all over the place with errors and assumptions on this topic. You’re normally a lot less erratic in your posts. I think your enthusiasm for this latest change is blinding you to the obvious. Just as an example, the paragraph quoted above basically boils down to: “The changes aren’t important because if they had always been that way, they wouldn’t even be changes.” That’s the most circular reasoning I’ve seen in a while. You’ve made a lot of other poor reasonings in this topic, I won’t point them all out because it’s counter-productive to the discussion. Let’s just say that “this is all working exactly according to CCP’s plan and is great for the game and shows CCP knows what they’re doing” is the fluffiest of fluff statements to be basing your evaluation on. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/61 "2020-08-19T16:03:16Z")
I hate bubbles and cynos. These Trig systems are like a paradise. ---
**Author:** ![Spc\_One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spc_one/32/399501_2.png) [@Spc\_One](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spc_One)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/62 "2020-08-19T16:03:41Z")
Still if it’s a -0.7 system there should be bubbles and cyno’s. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/63 "2020-08-19T16:04:20Z")
It is still a 0.5 system, with “effects” applied. ---
**Author:** ![Spc\_One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spc_one/32/399501_2.png) [@Spc\_One](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spc_One)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/64 "2020-08-19T16:06:47Z")
If it is 0.5 system then shooting people is concordable, but it isn’t so it’s true -0.7 system. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/65 "2020-08-19T16:07:58Z")
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