# Why not CCP just cancel all High Sec area? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 19, 2020, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137 "2020-08-19T03:07:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/166 "2020-08-27T20:07:52Z")
> [@Namaros](#): > > I belive I know better what gives me more fun as a player. Stop this boomer talk. > > You want new players to risk all what they have (and harm their progress) to lower their chances to ever become a competition. The less competition, the more old farts can make. While you yourself hide your own ships worth bilions and trilllions. This is so contrary to the reality of the game, and written in such a style, that I’m fairly confident that you’re not a new player at all, and just a fly-by-night troll, like the ones we get here every day. But on the off-chance that you’re not, I’ll explain why: No, we _don’t_ want to stunt your progress. It’s in our best interests to let you fatten up as much as possible before we harvest you, instead of doing it when you’re a week old, and picking at the meager scraps of flesh hanging loose from your bones. And you **don’t** know better what gives you fun as a new player, because you haven’t even seen 98% of the game yet. You have **no idea** what possibilities lie out there. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Not true. > I’ve been skilling up looking forward to move to null… I’m not moving TODAY because I’m not ready to PVP successfully ( of course I could get blown up again and again again and again until I’m ready but what’s the fun in that ? If I want that I can get blown up in hisec as well as in low/nullsec, that’s not the point of moving to lowsec ) and don’t have the isk to get me ships and modules that would facilitate my being in null…yet. > Unless you’re suggesting I mine in a corvette or venture and do PVP in a shuttle in nullsec ? Get blown up for 500m3 of Jaspet or spend every isk I earn into getting ventures that’ll just get popped in 30sec. > I have better schemes for my isk and personal time and they don’t include wasting either of them. The only reason you’re not moving _today_ is because you’re stuck in the mental trap I outlined above. I was in null-sec during my first week, and I did just fine. Your understanding of game content seems to be “I need to get everything I need in order to be able to do it perfectly,” and that’s a ridiculous notion. There’s nothing wrong with engaging in smaller, easier bits of content when you’re still new, while you wait for your skills and game knowledge to increase, and incrementally improving your capacity to do harder content. Also, many groups would straight up _give_ you the stuff you need to take part in group ops, group content _coincidentally_ being one of the best sources of income in the game. And why would you “get blown up again and again again and again” in null-sec? It’s arguably _much_ more safe than even high-sec, if you’re living in an established, space-owning alliance. You’ll probably spend _weeks_ in some backwoods home system before seeing a single neutral pass through. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > What if I don’t want to join a Corp. this soon in my time in EVE? What if I want to explore other avenues before I commit to a group of people who will depend on me ? What if I want to play solo? What if I’m SO anti-social as to not want to play _with_ others ? Then you’re not going to make it in “dangerous” space _anyway_, regardless of how many skill points you have. Do you think that enough training will make you pass some kind of imaginary threshold, and turn you into a veritable PvP god? It’s not going to happen. If you go to space where organized group play is the meta, you’ll be at a disadvantage regardless of what you can fly and use. Here’s an anecdote for you: I once popped an Ishtar in Stain, and the pilot started absolutely raging at me, complaining that I didn’t play fair, killed his advanced ship even though he spent so much time training for it, and that no one should’ve been messing with him because he was an old player. I had to explain to the guy that he wasn’t in Duripant anymore, and that his terrible assumptions did nothing to prepare him for the reality of the game. He called me some names, and I never saw him online again after that (this was back in the days of the active watchlist). ---
**Author:** ![Namaros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namaros/32/461419_2.png) [@Namaros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namaros)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/167 "2020-08-27T20:19:33Z")
" And you **don’t** know better what gives you fun as a new player, because you haven’t even seen 98% of the game yet. You have **no idea** what possibilities lie out there." If thats the case then its not my fault but the game itself that it cant show me those possibilities … Stop blaming new players boomer. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/168 "2020-08-27T20:23:42Z")
You feel entitled to see all of the possibilities within your first few days in the game? And you call **me** a boomer? lol… ---
**Author:** ![Namaros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namaros/32/461419_2.png) [@Namaros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namaros)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/169 "2020-08-27T20:25:30Z")
You feel entitled to lecture others and blame new players? Yep, a boomer. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/170 "2020-08-27T20:26:17Z")
I’m not blaming new players, I’m blaming **you**. Doesn’t matter anyway. Your writing style gave it away in the first post. Roll a new one, and try again. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/171 "2020-08-27T20:35:17Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I disagree. Offering players more of what they want may very well be the worst CCP could do for the game. Players want to earn more ISK, mine more ore faster, want more safety and more powerful ships, more SP, cheaper subscriptions and more kills, etc, etc. This is only the case if you are thinking along the lines of stuff, material reward, and cheapness. You entirely missed the part of the quote that specifically refers to an entertaining **game** as opposed to a give-away pinata. Giving players more of what they want is about finding out why and how players play EVE, and designing the game to deliver a more consistently satisfying gaming experience. It isn’t about cheap give-aways, endless log-in participation rewards, or ISK/hr. It’s about entertainment and engagement. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/172 "2020-08-27T20:42:05Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The only reason you’re not moving _today_ is because you’re stuck in the mental trap I outlined above. No, the only reasons I’m not moving “today” are spelled out in the post you quoted. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I was in null-sec during my first week, and I did just fine. I’m sure you did, good for you. But I will do ME and let you do YOU. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Your understanding of game content seems to be “I need to get everything I need in order to be able to do it perfectly,” and that’s a ridiculous notion. No, my understanding of game content is: I can’t fly ships with modules I have NO skills and NO isk to get into and that’s not ridiculous, it’s the game skill system. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > There’s nothing wrong with engaging in smaller, easier bits of content when you’re still new, while you wait for your skills and game knowledge to increase, and incrementally improving your capacity to do harder content. Right. And there’s nothing wrong with doing that in hisec or lowsec. I don’t need to be in nullsec to experience the fact that I agree to PVP as soon as I undock. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Also, many groups would straight up _give_ you the stuff you need to take part in group ops, group content _coincidentally_ being one of the best sources of income in the game. Sure. But I’m not going to join a Corp. just because they will give me stuff. That’s the wrong way to go about it. I want to join a Corp. when I can be some use to them, not a mooch to them. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > And why would you “get blown up again and again again and again” in null-sec? It’s arguably _much_ more safe than even high-sec, \*_if you’re living in an established, space-owning alliance_. right, **IF** With IF I can put Paris in a bottle 🙂 > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Do you think that enough training will make you pass some kind of imaginary threshold, and turn you into a veritable PvP god? I don’t want to be a PVP god but surviving a PVP encounter is very much in my todo list. But to do that I’ll obviously need to be trained for the ship I want to fly and the modules I want to fly with, or are you suggesting I train _just enough_ skills to get into a ship I haven’t even mastered to level 1 yet ? > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Here’s an anecdote for you: I once popped an Ishtar in Stain, and the pilot started absolutely raging at me, complaining that I didn’t play fair, killed his advanced ship even though he spent so much time training for it, and that no one should’ve been messing with him because he was an old player. I had to explain to the guy that he wasn’t in Duripant anymore, and that his terrible assumptions did nothing to prepare him for the reality of the game. He called me some names, and I never saw him online again after that (this was back in the days of the active watchlist). Well, I’m not him and I don’t rage and insult people in games because I didn’t take the time to inform myself about said game and got false assumptions about it… I inform myself and I presently know, based on that information, that I’m not ready to move to nullsec TODAY. There’s another way around that but I doubt you’ll approve: YOU give me 5 billion ISK to spend as I wish. Then I can buy ships and modules and be cavalier about losing ships/isk/modules in nullsec, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Namaros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namaros/32/461419_2.png) [@Namaros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namaros)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/173 "2020-08-27T20:49:51Z")
thats true, if people spend HOURS grinding that ore they should get more. Right now the money you make is a joke; twice as a new player who’s character skills are below anything of value and even with OMEGA it will take MONTHS to get them high enough to bet good $$$. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/175 "2020-08-27T20:56:21Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Not getting blown up and getting to blow up/pod my attacker would be one definition of “successful” I’d subsrcribe to. What if I told you that there are characters with hundreds of millions of skill points that still get blown up several times a day? > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > I’m not limiting myself, I’m simply limited by the time it takes to get into a decent ship ( I want to fly a T3 ship with cloaking device ) That’s literally a self limitation. You can honestly fight in pvp on day one. Yeah you may not achieve much as an individual but what if I told you that there are players with hundreds of millions of sp that don’t achieve much as an individual. Some people play for years and never get ‘good’ at solo or become FC’s. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > I’m sure you did, good for you. But I will do ME and let you do YOU. So you _do_ understand that it’s you putting limitations on yourself? Maybe learn the basics in T1 ships first. Because you’re going to die the first few times no matter what ship you’re flying. Better to be cheap T1 than T3 where you lose skill points as well. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/176 "2020-08-27T21:02:41Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > No, the only reasons I’m not moving “today” are spelled out in the post you quoted. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > I’m sure you did, good for you. But I will do ME and let you do YOU. That’s dandy and all, but don’t blame the game or its players for your lack of courage and initiative. The tools are available for you to do well in **all** areas of space, **regardless** of age; you’re entitled to either use or refuse them, but the outcome rests squarely on _your_ shoulders. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > No, my understanding of game content is: I can’t fly ships with modules I have NO skills and NO isk to get into and that’s not ridiculous, it’s the game skill system. Yeah, you do. At the worst, **worst** , you maybe need three or four weeks of training before you have everything you need to survive and make money. And during that period, you should be learning the basics of the game anyway, instead of complaining that you’re not getting huge payouts out in the badlands like all the big dogs. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Sure. But I’m not going to join a Corp. just because they will give me stuff. That’s the wrong way to go about it. I want to join a Corp. when I can be some use to them, not a mooch to them. That’s exactly the right attitude. The missing part in your thought process is the fact that many groups are happy to have another member out to boost their numbers and help out. Even a noob in a T1 BC is still better than having one less player in the fleet. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > right, **IF** > With IF I can put Paris in a bottle 🙂 That’s how most null-sec is like. Showing up to 0.0 isn’t like stepping into the saloon of a distant prospecting town, where everyone is holding a pistol, and looking at each other with shifty eyes. It’s super-structured and militarized. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > I don’t want to be a PVP god but surviving a PVP encounter is very much in my todo list. But to do that I’ll obviously need to be trained for the ship I want to fly and the modules I want to fly with, or are you suggesting I train _just enough_ skills to get into a ship I haven’t even mastered to level 1 yet ? So, from a very experienced PvPer: there’s no such thing as “surviving” a PvP encounter. You’re either the aggressor and you survive by default, or you’re the defender, and you either avoid the encounter, or die. Being attacked by someone, and then successfully defeating them, is a _rare_ anomaly. Having said that, yes, you indeed _do_ have the tools to avoid encounters as a new player. I can go into much greater detail here, but that would be off-topic because it would deal specifically with tactics. I suggest making a new thread to ask about survival strategies for hostile space as a new player. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > based on that information, that I’m not ready to move to nullsec TODAY. You are, you just don’t know it yet. When you become more experienced, you’ll look back on your posts today, and call yourself an idiot for being so blind. I’ve seen quite a few people go exactly through that. Listen to vets, especially those who focus on PvP. There’s a _reason_ why they made it so far. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > There’s another way around that but I doubt you’ll approve: YOU give me 5 billion ISK to spend as I wish. Then I can buy ships and modules and be cavalier about losing ships/isk/modules in nullsec, yes? No, because you’ll take it for granted. Having 5 billion won’t improve your odds or efficiency; it will just make you into a fatter pinata for someone else. If you treat this game as a survival experience, you’ll learn quicker, and better. That said, I can totally offer you heaps of advice, possibly help you with loose modules or skill books, and stuff like that. I routinely train new players to be effective fighters. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/177 "2020-08-27T21:14:34Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > What if I told you that there are characters with hundreds of millions of skill points that still get blown up several times a day? I’m sure there are, I don’t want to be one of them. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > That’s literally a self limitation. Limited only by how fast my skills go up so, yeah, that’s not ‘self limitation’, that’s game limitation. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > You can honestly fight in pvp on day one. Sure, but why would I want to lose a ship I can use to get isk ? Just for the thrill of PVPing ? Oooh, Aaaah I got blown up in my corvette, just what I’ve been itching to do for years and decades, lol. I’ll PVP as a mean to an end or to defend myself, not just for the thrill of PVP. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Yeah you may not achieve much as an individual but what if I told you that there are players with hundreds of millions of sp that don’t achieve much as an individual. OH gees, I want to not achieve much after years of playing because, look ! this or that player also hasn’t achieved much. Hey, he jumped into a ravine, let me also jump into a ravine… > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Some people play for years and never get ‘good’ at solo or become FC’s. I don’t think I want to become FC. It might happen but it’s it’s not in my plans. And you need to define “good” in a game where you can get blown up after ten years of active play. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > So you _do_ understand that it’s you putting limitations on yourself? My limitations depend on how fast my skills go up until I can get into a T3 cruiser with t3 modules and also on how much isk I have. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Maybe learn the basics in T1 ships first. That’s exactly what I’m doing. And I can do that in any security space, hi or low. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Because you’re going to die the first few times no matter what ship you’re flying I know that, that’s why I want to be ready and **at least** have the opportunity to shoot back and not hover in space caught in a bubble like a jerkoff before getting exploded and podded. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Better to be cheap T1 than T3 where you lose skill points as well. I’ll be losing isk left and right, what’s a little skillpoints on top of that? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/178 "2020-08-27T21:21:43Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Sure, but why would I want to lose a ship I can use to get isk ? Just for the thrill of PVPing ? Oooh, Aaaah I got blown up in my corvette, just what I’ve been itching to do for years and decades, lol. > I’ll PVP as a mean to an end or to defend myself, not just for the thrill of PVP. Just wanted to comment that this is 100% the proper attitude to have. It seems like you’re almost over the hump, and just need a little push to get your eyes to open up. Caveat: doing PvP for the sole purpose of gaining practice and knowledge, without any possible material gains, _is_ an acceptable practice, however. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > My limitations depend on how fast my skills go up until I can get into a T3 cruiser with t3 modules and also on how much isk I have. But this is absolutely wrong, and is a terrible mindset to put yourself into. You will _not_ be invincible in a T3 cruiser. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/179 "2020-08-27T21:28:41Z")
> [@Alias\_Kova](#): > > CCP hates high sec players so that they use Triglavian invasion to kick players out. Also many low/null sec players hate high sec players. CCP keep nerfing high sec for many years but still cannot eliminate all high sec players. > > Currently just some systems have come low or null sec by effort of CCP and other players. Why not just cancel high sec or reduce high sec systems to just several ones? Many high sec players will be forced to low/null sec or get out of game. It is easy and quick. It’s part of new gameplay, high sec was too stagnant for years… Deal with it with friends, or leave. Your call really. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/180 "2020-08-27T21:29:21Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > That’s dandy and all, but don’t blame the game or its players for your lack of courage and initiative I don’t blame the game. I’m actually having a good time, thank you very much. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Yeah, you do. At the worst, **worst** , you maybe need three or four weeks of training before you have everything you need to survive and make money. And during that period, you should be learning the basics of the game anyway, instead of complaining That’s what I’m doing, and I’m NOT complaining, I’m enjoying the game, thank you very much. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > That’s exactly the right attitude. Yet YOU mentioned to join a Corp. and be the begger and mooch off of them, didn’t you ? Didn’t you say “free ships and modules” ? Yet, you now say my not joining for those reasons is the right attitude. You need to agree with yourself before suggesting to others. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The missing part in your thought process is the fact that many groups are happy to have another member out to boost their numbers and help out. Even a noob in a T1 BC is still better than having one less player in the fleet. That’s not the way I see it. I won’t be a burden to anyone, I refuse to be. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You’re either the aggressor and you survive by default, or you’re the defender, and you either avoid the encounter, or die. Then you’ve spelled it. I want to be the aggressor and survive by default or be the defender and avoid the encounter. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Having said that, yes, you indeed _do_ have the tools to avoid encounters as a new player. I can go into much greater detail here, but that would be off-topic because it would deal specifically with tactics. I suggest making a new thread to ask about survival strategies for hostile space as a new player. I’m using out-of-game material to learn all that. Making a thread to ask about all that isn’t, in my opinion, the way to go. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > When you become more experienced, you’ll look back on your posts today, and call yourself an idiot for being so blind. Or I’ll congratulate myself for not wasting ships and isk for things I can learn in other ways. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Listen to vets, especially those who focus on PvP. There’s a _reason_ why they made it so far. And they ALL went exactly through the same steps to be where they’re at now ? I highly doubt that. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > No, because you’ll take it for granted There you go. So don’t give me 5 billion isk but also, don’t tell me how to play a game or force me to play your way or that other guy’s way. I need to experience and learn. I’ll get blown up but I’ll learn in the process. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > That said, I can totally offer you heaps of advice, possibly help you with loose modules or skill books, and stuff like that. I routinely train new players to be effective fighters. Thank you but I think I’ll manage, even if it takes me a year. I’m very patient 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/181 "2020-08-27T21:30:45Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > I’m sure there are, I don’t want to be one of them. You achieve that by learning now whilst things are cheap. Right now you’re setting yourself up for an expensive lesson. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > That’s exactly what I’m doing. And I can do that in any security space, hi or low. Not really. Gatecamps and how to get past them differ in different types of space. Intel works differently too. And sometimes it ain’t just a case of reading a blog. Stuff takes practice. Like the cloaky mwd trick. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/182 "2020-08-27T21:35:14Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You will _not_ be invincible in a T3 cruiser. Of course, but I’ll at least have a chance to be the aggressor, the hunter instead of the hunted. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/183 "2020-08-27T21:46:33Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Yet YOU mentioned to join a Corp. and be the begger and mooch off of them, didn’t you ? Didn’t you say “free ships and modules” ? Yet, you now say my not joining for those reasons is the right attitude. > You need to agree with yourself before suggesting to others. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > That’s not the way I see it. I won’t be a burden to anyone, I refuse to be. But I never said anything like _that_? There’s nothing wrong with accepting help when it’s being offered. Those people will be _glad_ you accept it, in fact, because it’s barely material to them, and the possible payoff of growing a happy, contributing member more than offsets the risk inherent in the investment. I don’t know why you’re putting words in my mouth like that. 😕 > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > I’m using out-of-game material to learn all that. Making a thread to ask about all that isn’t, in my opinion, the way to go. Switch it around. Use experienced people as your primary source, and supplement that with knowledge that you can find online. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Or I’ll congratulate myself for not wasting ships and isk for things I can learn in other ways. You won’t, because what you can lose today will seem completely inconsequential later on. Engaging in greater risk for **much** greater rewards is common sense. Sure, you can stay in high-sec and have a very low risk of losing, say, your cruiser, and average out something like 5 million ISK an hour in profits. Or, you can go somewhere where the risks are much higher, and lose cruisers often, but average out 50 million ISK an hour in profits. Despite the latter option causing you more loss, you’ll still come out ahead financially. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > And they ALL went exactly through the same steps to be where they’re at now ? I highly doubt that. The individual steps might have been in different order, but the path in the same. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > There you go. So don’t give me 5 billion isk but also, don’t tell me how to play a game or force me to play your way or that other guy’s way. Receiving 5 billion ISK as a condition for listening to my advice is nonsensical, since my advice would necessarily entail that you don’t spend such amounts of money to begin with. So really, it just sounds like you want me to bribe you into listening to me. Why would anyone do that? Giving honest advice that comes from the experience of playing this game for almost 15 years as already charity work in itself. It’s for your benefit only; I get zero utility from you listening to me, aside from possibly making a long-term friend, which is how I’ve made a good amount of EVE friends over the years. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Of course, but I’ll at least have a chance to be the aggressor, the hunter instead of the hunted. If you want to be the aggressor, you’re going to want a different ship. Also, you will absolutely **need** either a friend or an alt, because single-character PvP doesn’t exist, and hasn’t existed probably since the “nano” meta was nerfed like 12 years ago. Here’s a bit of that “veteran experience” I was talking about before. > [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Thank you but I think I’ll manage, even if it takes me a year. I’m very patient 🙂 There’s a difference between wanting to be self-sufficient, or merely obstinate and unyielding. There’s nothing wrong with accepting help, especially if it’s limited to advice and sharing of knowledge. Even in my old (EVE-wise) age, I still _constantly_ ask people to explain things that I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/184 "2020-08-27T21:49:49Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I don’t know why you’re putting words in my mouth like that. I didn’t mean to, I just extrapolated from your reply. My apology. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/185 "2020-08-27T21:56:00Z")
> [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](#): > > Of course, but I’ll at least have a chance to be the aggressor, the hunter instead of the hunted. You think so? > [@Dual Tank Astero dies to Heron](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dual-tank-astero-dies-to-heron/258060): > > I just lost a dual rep tank Astero to a Heron. I have only been playing for a few months and I thought I was finally ready to gank an explorer in Nullsec. Joke was on me… the guy lit me up like the fourth of July. Not sure what I did wrong other than jump the wrong guy. He said he knew I was in the system and was baiting me. He had fitted it for full pvp. He didn’t even have a probe launcher fit lol. Well, this is an expensive lesson. Not sure hat the lesson is other than I am not ready for pv… ---
**Author:** ![Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cati_tasha-murkon_ii/32/231973_2.png) [@Cati\_Tasha-Murkon\_II](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cati_Tasha-Murkon_II)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137/186 "2020-08-27T22:01:42Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Switch it around. Use experienced people as your primary source, and supplement that with knowledge that you can find online. Okay. I’ll ask questions in-game from experienced players and supplement that with online searching. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Engaging in greater risk for **much** greater rewards is common sense. Sure, you can stay in high-sec and have a very low risk of losing, say, your cruiser, and average out something like 5 million ISK an hour in profits. Or, you can go somewhere where the risks are much higher, and lose cruisers often, but average out 50 million ISK an hour in profits. Despite the latter option causing you more loss, you’ll still come out ahead financially. Yes, that sounds viable as well and it may happen that way, I don’t know yet since I’m not in that position yet. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Receiving 5 billion ISK as a condition for listening to my advice is nonsensical, since my advice would necessarily entail that you don’t spend such amounts of money to begin with. So really, it just sounds like you want me to bribe you into listening to me. LOL… No. I simply asked that to prove a point and/or make you realize that a new player is very limited in his choices. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Why would anyone do that? Giving honest advice that comes from the experience of playing this game for almost 15 years as already charity work in itself. It’s for your benefit only; I get zero utility from you listening to me, aside from possibly making a long-term friend, which is how I’ve made a good amount of EVE friends over the years. Don’t get your kickers in a bunch. I meant no disrespect. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > If you want to be the aggressor, you’re going to want a different ship. Also, you will absolutely **need** either a friend or an alt, because single-character PvP doesn’t exist, and hasn’t existed probably since the “nano” meta was nerfed like 12 years ago. > > Here’s a bit of that “veteran experience” I was talking about before. Thanks for the info ! > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > There’s nothing wrong with accepting help, especially if it’s limited to advice and sharing of knowledge. Even in my old (EVE-wise) age, I still _constantly_ ask people to explain things that I don’t know. That kind of help I will accept but I will not accept free ships and modules just to participate in a fleet. I hold my own or I better play another game. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-not-ccp-just-cancel-all-high-sec-area/261137.md?page=10)