# Why should I renew my subscription? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 7, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952 "2018-02-07T19:06:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/216 "2018-02-12T22:57:16Z")
Sure. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/7/57457e05bfed8b914f52526d5fd896ba30a327e0.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Skelee\_VI](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skelee_vi/32/356713_2.png) [@Skelee\_VI](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skelee_VI)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/217 "2018-02-13T15:32:18Z")
The glory days are long gone! Long live the money making blobfest! CPP don’t care about individuals, it is all about making money! the downfall started with giving interceptors nullification … citadels everywhere! I am down to one account, play for a few days a week. ---
**Author:** ![Capn\_JT\_Kirk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/capn_jt_kirk/32/32384_2.png) [@Capn\_JT\_Kirk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Capn_JT_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/218 "2018-02-14T07:44:08Z")
> Blockquote Why should I renew my subscription? > Blockquote Because…quitters never win. Bunch of pansies, but then we all are, obviously. Basically… CCP is winning EVE… obviously. lol Time… is ticking. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/d/2/2d2a39ae1836cec13cd408c9288a8c433d8f56ff.jpeg "Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon: Speak to me/Breathe (HD Master Vinyl Recording)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu9I3l_4qa4) Now STFU and go blow something up…before your time is up. Cya o7 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/219 "2018-02-14T08:47:19Z")
The meltdown by Ima has amused me, but most amusing of all is seeing the safe space hidden comment butt hurt reporting of what I can only say are mild insults, to report a post for using the phrase ‘village idiot’ is golden, seriously for the HTFU people who dish it out on the forums so often you are seriously weak, seriously dudes you really are pathetic… CCP doesn’t care what you do, so run along and do whatever you feel you want to, but you can be sure that it is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/220 "2018-02-14T08:58:35Z")
Ima, have you decided? Will you sub or not? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/221 "2018-02-14T09:03:12Z")
You should recruit Alpha Slow for ag. Cries everyday on the forums, toxic as hell, no idea how the game work, he would fit right in. 😂😂😂 > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Will you sub or not? I will not for now until CCP gives me a good reason. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/222 "2018-02-14T09:04:01Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > I will not for now until CCP gives me a good reason. Can you give 3 examples of such good reasons to re-sub? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/223 "2018-02-14T09:17:21Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Can you give 3 examples of such good reasons to re-sub? - If they show that they still care about the plan they once had and show in a believable way that they work on it and will deliver. - If they actually tell us why they don’t follow this plan anymore but show that they have a new way forward in a way that I can actually believe this time they will deliver. - If they rollback or stop their insane monetization and stop selling stuff on top of the subscription. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/224 "2018-02-14T09:18:23Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Can you give 3 examples of such good reasons to re-sub? > > - If they show that they still care about the plan they once had and show in a believable way that they work on it and will deliver. > - If they actually tell us why they don’t follow this plan anymore but show that they have a new way forward in a way that I can actually believe this time they will deliver. > - If they rollback or stop their insane monetization and stop selling stuff on top of the subscription. Ok. Ambiguous, but fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/225 "2018-02-14T09:20:43Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Can you give 3 examples of such good reasons to re-sub? > > - If they show that they still care about the plan they once had and show in a believable way that they work on it and will deliver. > - If they actually tell us why they don’t follow this plan anymore but show that they have a new way forward in a way that I can actually believe this time they will deliver. > - If they rollback or stop their insane monetization and stop selling stuff on top of the subscription. And just exactly what is this ‘Plan’ you’re referring to anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/226 "2018-02-14T09:33:46Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > And just exactly what is this ‘Plan’ you’re referring to anyway? The whole thing about colonization they started in 2013 at the Fanfest Keynote. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Ambiguous, but fair enough. One of the points is to basically do what they said they would do 5 years ago. How is that ambiguous? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/227 "2018-02-14T09:37:14Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > One of the points is to basically do what they said they would do 5 years ago. What did they say they would do 5yrs ago? Why didnt you stop subbing 5 or less years ago? > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > How is that ambiguous? It was ambiguous, because it was not specific. That’s what ambiguous means. Specific would be, for example: “Increase HAC MWD bloom reduction role bonus by 25%” ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/228 "2018-02-14T09:45:57Z")
i already wrote this in the op. They started the plan, they improved industry, they started out with stations, but since then it slowed down significantly to 1 station and 1 expansion per year and as I said in the op, it looks like they abandoned the plan. It’s all in the op and you can lookup the Fanfest Keynotes of the last 5 years if you want to know what exactly I’m talking about. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Specific would be, for example: “Increase HAC MWD bloom reduction role bonus by 25%” Yeah, I’m not the “buff my special snowflake game or I quit” type, so you have to take ambiguous expectations about stuff they actually talked about. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/229 "2018-02-14T09:52:10Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > It’s all in the op and you can lookup the Fanfest Keynotes of the last 5 years if you want to know what exactly I’m talking about. I see no reference in your OP specific to 2013, or any specific promise/road map laid out there. Can you be more specific on what promises made in 2013 you feel CCP has not delivered on? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/230 "2018-02-14T10:19:34Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I see no reference in your OP specific to 2013, or any specific promise/road map laid out there. > > Can you be more specific on what promises made in 2013 you feel CCP has not delivered on? I was talking to an audience where I expected it would be obvious of what I was talking about. Most responses in this thread seam to indicate that they had no problem with identifying what I was talking about. Anyway, since you where unaware of it I recommend to watch the keynotes of the last 5 years of Fanfests to get a good overview. Also no one said anything about promises, I talked about a plan for the future of the game outlined by CCP which since became significantly slowed down or was (or just appears to be) entirely abandoned. Hope that makes it clear now. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/231 "2018-02-14T10:21:40Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > I was talking to an audience where I expected it would be obvious of what I was talking about. Most responses in this thread seam to indicate that they had no problem with identifying what I was talking about. Apparently, I’m not one of them. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Anyway, since you where unaware of it I recommend to watch the keynotes of the last 5 years of Fanfests to get a good overview. That will give me an overview of CCPs keynotes, but not any insight into which specific ones you want implemented before you re-sub. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/232 "2018-02-14T10:26:34Z")
Again, I don’t talk about specific features. I talk about the overall plan for the game to move forward. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/233 "2018-02-14T10:29:27Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Again, I don’t talk about specific features. I talk about the overall plan for the game to move forward. Yes, but very ambiguously. If CCP asked me “Hey Salvos, how do we get Ima to re-sub?”, I would be unable to give them a cogent answer based on whats in this thread. My best answer would be: -“Do something something you promised in the year something something, at event something something” ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/234 "2018-02-14T10:39:43Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Yes, but very ambiguously. > > If CCP asked me “Hey Salvos, how do we get Ima to re-sub?”, I would be unable to give them a cogent answer based on whats in this thread. Well they held the keynotes where they outlined the plans I was talking about. So I really hope the can figure this out on their own. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > My best answer would be: > > -“Do something something you promised in the year something something, at event something something” Yeah, I already told you I was not talking about promises, so I really hope they don’t ask someone who mixes stuff up so repeatedly. ---
**Author:** ![Angry\_Poster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angry_poster/32/54263_2.png) [@Angry\_Poster](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angry_Poster)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/235 "2018-02-14T10:42:56Z")
2005 player here, been subscribed with 3 accounts for nearly that entire time. And I totally agree with your assessment in the OP. The decline really started when CCP fired their resident story writer (who used to release bi-weekly chronicles). That was a first indication that CCP was more interested in their bottom line then their game and vision. Next came the Greed is Good memo, 18 months wasted dev time on a feature that was essentially an excuse for CCP to implement a cash shop and sell 70$ monocles (Incarna). That was pretty much close to the end for me. Luckily, someone at CCP realized in time that their game was about to implode and they actually changed their ways for a time. This went a long way to restore some much needed trust in CCP as a company interested in making a great game and not just maximizing their profits. The next big downer for me was when they killed their documentation of the game by removing the wiki. That basically showed that they (once again) won’t hesitate cutting costs even if it seriously hurts their customers (and that the summer of rage was forgotten by CCP). After that, the real failcascade started with the implementation of Alpha accounts and Skill Trading. This basically was a clear indication that CCP were becoming EA (I can’t think of a worse insult at this point). It turned a really great game where long-term investment mattered into some ■■■■-tier pseudo-free-to-play game where you can just drop a few thousand dollars and be on the same level as a loyal fan of 10 years. It also opened the door for the current botting crisis because previously, if you had a mothership pilot (or even just a VNI pilot for that matter) you were unlikely to risk it by botting because you were invested in it and it had “value” (not necessarily the monetary kind - and the only kind that CCP seems to give a fuck about nowadays). Now you just inject a new mothership pilot within 2 hours and continue your botting. By the time the two remaining responsible CCP employees get around to processing the bot reports against you (if they ever do) you’ll have easily earned enough ISK or $ to replace the character and start your botting over. This is basically a death sentence for a game like EVE that always relied on a long-term loyal customer base and not a short-term instant gratification crowd with front-loaded payment model (like games such as World of Tanks and most other f2p titles). Before Skill Trading, characters in EVE had a true “value”. I felt really happy and also a little proud about my collection of characters that I had invested 10 years in optimizing and min/maxing to fit my game exactly. This feeling of “worth” or “value” was completely gutted and sacrificed on the altar of profit maximization. For context: I might as well have saved the ~6500$ I spent on EVE subscriptions in the past 13 years and just bought myself ISK from an RMT site, bought SP with that ISK and then I’d be at the same place in the game as I am now. What a kick in the balls for a long-term (and previously loyal) customer… Last but not least, CCP realized that the community is one of the best “features” of this game so they decided to fire the entire community team to cut costs… no need to elaborate any further on that point. At this point, I’m only still here because I missed the opportunity to cancel my yearly subscription 8 months back and now I’m just lurking, waiting to see if by some wonder of modern market capitalism, CCP will manage to change their ways, fire the entire upper management and replace them with passionate gamers instead of snake-oil sales men and “bizdevs” with the typical (and highly toxic) EA-mentality. I can only hope they manage. And if not then I guess 13 years is long enough to stick with the same game. I can always go back to playing Chess or something. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952.md?page=12)