# Why should I renew my subscription? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 7, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952 "2018-02-07T19:06:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/317 "2018-02-15T09:46:27Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > I don’t need to vs you, Salvos. So you fold. Fine. You lost. I’m now the alpha. To cower and hide behind your fence. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/318 "2018-02-15T09:46:41Z")
_Yawn_ ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/319 "2018-02-15T09:47:38Z")
I didn’t fold, Salvos. I didn’t lose, either. Can’t fold or lose a game you didn’t play. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/320 "2018-02-15T09:48:48Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > I didn’t fold, Salvos. I didn’t lose, either. Can’t fold or lose a game you didn’t play. You chickened out of a direct challenge of your skills and arguments. That is folding and losing. You are cowering behind your fence, tail between legs. Your bark has no bite. I’m the alpha now. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/321 "2018-02-15T09:53:05Z")
No, my arguments stand on their own merit, mate. But they also have the backing of demonstrated examples already. What you’re ‘challenging’ me to do, I’ve already done, and shown you. Dude, this is that obstinance I was talking about. This is it in action. This is you being a pig-headed buffoon asking for evidence he’s already been presented. Look, I don’t care if you deny it, or what you think of me. Again, your opinion of me and my skill is less precious to me than the dried dog crap on my back lawn. My purpose here is to counter your lies and misinformation so that others reading along aren’t confused by it. it’s that simple. Those are the people who can look up my killboard, my youtube videos, my fights, and compare them to yours, and see who really knows what they’re talking about. They can also just read my superior arguments and your complete lack of any kind of challenge to those arguments or counterpoints whatsoever. That’s all I care about. What you think about it is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/322 "2018-02-15T10:21:00Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > But they also have the backing of demonstrated examples already. What you’re ‘challenging’ me to do, I’ve already done, and shown you. For all we know, those where stat-padding vs alts or friends. Tell you what. Since this is about SP and not isk, Ill allow you to fit whatever you want, including officer modules. Ill enjoy looting them off you, after your skills and argument fails. Inb4 another excuse to chicken out. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/323 "2018-02-15T10:30:32Z")
No, Salvos, for all YOU know. Because you couldn’t possibly be wrong. It has to be a deception on my part, that’s the only explanation. Your attempts to dismiss my points by virtue of calling into question the legitimacy of my demonstrable skill is pathetic. Anyone can easily look up the two wormholers I fought in that video, the kills are in the description, and see that they are Frogs from w/h. They are French, I am Australian. It’s also easy to find out that it’s my first ever encounter with them. You can even ask them yourself, we had a great chat after the fight and talked about the mistakes we all made. We’re definitely friends now, although by this point more like old friends with a shared history. Salvos, if you want to fight me, you come and find me. I don’t do arranged fights. I fight on my terms, and I don’t do pissing matches. My PVP is for the sake of fun, not proving a point. And I definitely don’t have anything to prove to you. Nothing. Nada. Not one thing. Because at the end of the day, I could drag your pathetic can into a plane and take you to 45,000 ft, show you the curve of the earth, and you’d still be frothing at the mouth about its flatness. That’s how you behave almost all the time on these forums, like a flat earther ignoring all the points and arguments that you have no counter for, and just pretending they don’t exist. One only need look at your kb, and then mine, and see who out of you and I is superior at this game, but this isn’t about us. You want to make it about us for some reason, I assume as a distraction from the fact that you have no arguments against my most pertinent points. Straight out of the flat-earther’s playbook, that one. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/324 "2018-02-15T10:31:31Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > One only need look at your kb, and then mine, and see who out of you and I is superior at this game, but this isn’t about us. Y If you are so superior, then defeating me should be no problem, should it. Man up, or chicken out, Your choice. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/325 "2018-02-15T10:32:35Z")
Salvos. [P-51 vs Me-262](https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/tuskegee-airmen-vs-me-262s/) case closed. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/326 "2018-02-15T10:33:51Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > Salvos. > > P-51 vs Me-262 > > case closed. The stats of some IRL aircraft engagements have nothing to do with EVE, you, me, or your argument. You claim skill matters more than stats derived from SP. Show that. Accept my challenge, or fold like a chicken. ---
**Author:** ![CowQueen\_MMXII](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cowqueen_mmxii/32/446332_2.png) [@CowQueen\_MMXII](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CowQueen_MMXII)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/327 "2018-02-15T10:40:54Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > I’ll agree with this. It isn’t true that CCP hasn’t made any progress on their Rubicon goal of space colonization, it is just taking so awfully long, and worse, the bulk of the structure work isn’t adding new features or gameplay, but just replacing the existing gameplay of POSes with a slightly better version. It’s taking so long, one could even think they are dragging the development process out on purpose. > [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > So while I am sympathetic to the challenges CCP face replacing features to get to a place they can realize the big new vision, it still is frustrating to see CCP experimenting with new features (and monetization)… It would be less frustrating if any of those new features would actually be an improvement or expansion of some sort. However, many of them seem to be targeted at keeping the low investment crowd busy - not that there is something wrong with playing Eve “casually”, Eve just shouldn’t be tailored towards this casual crowd by sacrificing it’s sanbox principles. When I look at the agency and the according events, I see kind of a “quest finder” and “daily missions”. When I look at the new NPE, I see the beginning of a solo-player-“hero”-campaign. The monetization is even worse. I feel outright offended by all those shop-here-buy-that-buttons in the character menu. I already have four subscriptions running and I also bought stuff in the NES on various occasions (through the means of Plex purchased for Isk only, though), I don’t want to be “begged” for more money in game - this actually makes me want to spend less. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > But no, you wont, because you know you will lose, and your argument wrecked. Even if this would the case, it would not prove anything. Winning in direct ship confrontations is primarily decided by bringing the right ship with the right fitting and making the right combat decisions. Only after that, a difference in SP matters - of course only in those skills actually applicable for the situation. The only points where SP matter first, is the choice of ships and equipment they offer and to some extend they are needed to make certain modules or fittings viable in the first place. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > That’s why I wrote this thread, because here and now I ask myself: WHY SHOULD I STILL PAY A SUBSCRIPTION? > > I may still play the game if I feel like it. After all I can just suck the SP out of the heads of my chars and get another month for almost free. I asked myself the same thing multiple times for the last year or so - at least every time when CCP marketing threw out another brilliant “get more firepower” campaign or added another long awaited killer feature like the removal of the agent finder or chat bubbles. At one point, I took advantage of one of the special offers for subscibers (buy a lesser plan and get a free skin) and put the end date of all four accounts in the same few weeks around August this year. Then, it will be 500+€ at once or give up some account(-subcriptions). It’s still some time left until then, but I don’t see anything right now that might convince me of keeping those accs up. The only thing I’m not sure about right now is if I keep one sub running or not. The others will go to plex-on-demand or sub-by-extracting mode. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/328 "2018-02-15T10:41:43Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The stats of some IRL aircraft engagements have nothing to do with EVE, you, me, or your argument. They have everything to do with it. They directly demonstrate that what you’re saying is false. You and me have nothing to do with my argument, but you continue to try to make this about you and me. You’re deflecting from the fact that you have no argument against this, which is why you’re trying to dismiss it as ‘nothing to do with EVE’. Your claim is that numbers win the fight. So, the Me-262 should win the fight every time. [A Garmur and Firetail vs a Navy Maulus should win the fight every time](https://youtu.be/1woKNP9bwUE). Now stop posturing, quit deflecting, it’s pathetic. Either admit you’re wrong, which you are, or walk away quietly and pretend it never happened. Or, keep protesting in open denial of DEMONSTRATED FACT and make yourself look all the more a fool in front of everybody following along. The choice is yours. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/329 "2018-02-15T10:45:50Z")
I’m not replying to any more of your nonsense, Salvos. At least, not to you, anyway. I might quote some of your nonsense and correct it if it’s especially nonsensical, but don’t make the mistake of thinking I’m talking to you. I’m not. I’m talking to other people following along so they can understand why you’re wrong. About literally everything. As you always are. ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/330 "2018-02-15T12:49:29Z")
– This > [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > Skill injectors don’t help new players at all. All they help is to satiate impatience. [updated] I’d say the Skill Injectors helps to jump into new game style activity. The point isn’t to boost a character for a Titan ALT pilot… completely useless task. The point is to let some new players to jump into an Assault Frigate for FW or solo PVP, without to just wait 1 year for this. The PVP concept isn’t in combat between aT1 and T2 frigates, but between two T2 frigates. It’s hilarious to read why EVE veterans argue vs this. These Injectors makes them richer for FREE, **just because they began to play EVE many years ago**. It’s hilarious to read why EVE veterans don’t like ‘rookies’ in Assault Frigates… The main question is: Who is a better player in EVE? _Poll ([view on site](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/330))_ ---
**Author:** ![Angry\_Poster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angry_poster/32/54263_2.png) [@Angry\_Poster](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angry_Poster)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/331 "2018-02-15T12:52:52Z")
> [@Alpha\_Slow](#): > > The great irony is that these measures are only necessary because of trash people like the OP driving newbs from the game as a suicide ganker because they are afraid of taking on any opponents that would present a challenge. I never suicide ganked anyone in my entire 13 year EVE career. However, the fact that the possibility of suicide ganking (both being on the receiving end and on the “business side”) exists was a huge motivation for me to play and stick with this game. **If something is easy then it’s not worth becoming a master at it.** I think the absolutely dismal PVE content (missions, mining, ratting and all the other repetitive ■■■■■■■■) is what has driven away 99% of the players in the past, not suicide ganking. Most people I see whining about suicide ganking are stupid WOW-kiddies that get butt-hurt over losing their ship (mostly due to their own stupidity or laziness). If they didn’t quit because of suicide ganking then they’d have quit because someone killed them by some other means (such as them entering lowsec for the first time and getting their ass handed to them) or because they’d realize after a year of boring ISK-making that the game offers no (non-■■■■) content aside from PVP activities. People that are so weak and inept are simply not part of the target audience for this game. You wouldn’t recommend that a 54 year old woman with arthritis should try and start boxing and become a heavy weight champion and by the same logic you wouldn’t recommend a risk-averse WOW-kiddie from playing EVE. Over the years I’ve gotten about 10 people interested in the game and 9 of them quit again after a few months - not because they felt “unsafe” or got suicide ganked but because they realized that they either have the choice to grind ISK with extremely boring and repetitive activities for hours and hours on end or they have to RMT/buy PLEX. Today the third option would be to bot I guess. That shitty game design is what is driving people away and prevents them from enjoying the game, not suicide ganking, bumping, CODE or whatever you’re so butt-hurt over. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Lopez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_lopez/32/484486_2.png) [@Mr\_Lopez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Lopez)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/332 "2018-02-15T12:57:50Z")
To refute his claim you have to be a new player with injected skills vs his non injected character. You are not a new player so your defense of a new player with injected skill winning cannot be proved by this 1v1. Reading forums while chillin at work… ---
**Author:** ![Baba\_Ji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baba_ji/32/36487_2.png) [@Baba\_Ji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baba_Ji)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/333 "2018-02-15T13:00:43Z")
Also the rules of engagement were being subverted. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/334 "2018-02-15T13:22:02Z")
((whispers to the audience)) It’s like they don’t realize that it’s the combination of both SP and skill that matters… I’m watching two non-Americans BE congress 😇 –Semi-amused Gadget ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_SkaIski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skaiski/32/126779_2.png) [@Nana\_SkaIski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_SkaIski)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/335 "2018-02-15T13:28:27Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > combination of both SP and skill And position of the cat on the person. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![CowQueen\_MMXII](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cowqueen_mmxii/32/446332_2.png) [@CowQueen\_MMXII](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CowQueen_MMXII)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/336 "2018-02-15T14:11:48Z")
> [@Rexxar\_Santaro](#): > > Who is a better player in EVE? > > A 5 year old character (over 50M SP), which is active only 1 hour per month > A 1 year old character (under 15M SP), which is active 9 hours per week With high probability both are kind of noobish, especially if option A never was more active than this. He also had some breaks, which for some people is the same as completely wiping the Eve related portion of their brains. Aside the fact that you didn’t define what “better” actually means, it all depends on the people playing those characters: how fast to the learn, do they rely on the right sources to do so, do they read stuff or watch about Eve outside those playing hours, do they have somebody to teach them, is this somebody even competent, are they doing stuff in their play time that actually contributes to getting “better” or “being good” and so on… They are lots of veteran noobs out there and also some people that are still relatively new players and do rather veteran things. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952.md?page=17)