# Why should I renew my subscription? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 7, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952 "2018-02-07T19:06:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/542 "2018-02-17T12:59:02Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > By extension, I’m sure you would agree then that in PVE, a totally new player who injects SP is going to be just as efficient and effective as a 10 year veteran. > > No skill involved at all aside from the skillpoints. None of us matter as players and the knowledge we gain means nothing to our play. Yup, doesn’t take experience to set orbit and mash F1. Also there’s plenty of guides stating what spawn triggers there are so after a quick review that brand new player with injected skillpoints is just as capable as a 10 year Vet. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/543 "2018-02-17T13:00:28Z")
[Takes more than ‘orbit and f1’ to win a fight like this one, mate.](https://youtu.be/1woKNP9bwUE) ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/544 "2018-02-17T13:02:19Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > as capable as a 10 year Vet I didn’t say just as capable. But on the PVE side, I do agree, it’s much easier to be just as efficient quicker. However I think you do yourself and other PVEers a disservice by claiming a new player is just as capable as a veteran. Character, sure. Player, nope. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/545 "2018-02-17T13:03:29Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > He hasn’t applied any “new player” condition on that. He has said that no amount of experience can overcome ship stats increased by SP. God what a troll, trying to twist and portray a small portion of the actual statement out of context again. Instead of doing selective quoting, how about quoting the whole statement: > Everyone knows that in the exact same ships, fit the exact same way, the player with the higher skill points will have more tank, more DPS, more range, more speed and more agility. No amount of experience can overcome ship stats increased by skill points. Which is an extension of the previous statement: > Naturally they won’t accept it because it’s contrary to what they’ve been preaching all along. If their “experience” was actually the deciding factor enabling the win, then they would have no problem doing Corvette 1v1 in a new low skill character against an older high skill player who’s inexperienced in PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/546 "2018-02-17T13:05:31Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > He hasn’t applied any “new player” condition on that. He has said that no amount of experience can overcome ship stats increased by SP. He specifically said: **“Skill Injectors will not help new players at all”** That implicitly, literally, includes the “new player” condition. Why are you so determined to support Remiel when you already stated you disagree with his claim? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/547 "2018-02-17T13:05:35Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > God what a troll, trying to twist and portray a small portion of the actual statement out of context again. Are you then claiming that Salvos is a troll? You know what he has done through this thread is exactly that. Took one small statement from a larger context and applied it as an absolute. You then agreed with him. Now whining about the same standard being applied. Well, the hypocrisy is consistent. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/548 "2018-02-17T13:06:25Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > He specifically said: You quoted in relation to the wrong person. Go back and read Salvos. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/549 "2018-02-17T13:08:37Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > But on the PVE side, I do agree, it’s much easier to be just as efficient quicker. Explain. How are SP injectors more efficient in PvE, than PvP? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/550 "2018-02-17T13:10:29Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > How are SP injectors more efficient in PvE, than PvP? That’s not what I wrote, so I have no idea what tangent you are on now. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/551 "2018-02-17T13:10:49Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > You quoted in relation to the wrong person. Go back and read Salvos. Your quote and response was a reference to Remiel’s, not DMCs. Perhaps you forgot that already? Go back and re-read the chain. It leads to MY post regarding Remiels claim, not DMCs. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/552 "2018-02-17T13:11:37Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Are you then claiming that Salvos is a troll? You know what he has done through this thread is exactly that. Took one small statement from a larger context and applied it as an absolute. > > You then agreed with him. Now whining about the same standard being applied. Well, the hypocrisy is consistent. No, you’re the damn troll, once again twisting and portraying comments out of context. I use to have a lot of respect for you but over the past few years you’ve definitely changed that. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/553 "2018-02-17T13:13:01Z")
That’s not all I said though, and what I was replying to had further context. You’re quote-mining me out of context, even after I explained the context in no uncertain terms. [I know who you remind me of now!](https://youtu.be/zKhEw7nD9C4) ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/554 "2018-02-17T13:13:07Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Your quote and response was a reference to Remiel’s, not DMCs. Incorrect. Try reading again. Maybe you’ll get it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/555 "2018-02-17T13:13:43Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > That’s not what I wrote, so I have no idea what tangent you are on now. I didnt say you wrote it. I asked you to explain it. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/556 "2018-02-17T13:14:35Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I asked you to explain it. No. Since you wrote it, you should be able to explain it to yourself. I don’t even know what you mean by that statement. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/557 "2018-02-17T13:14:41Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Your quote and response was a reference to Remiel’s, not DMCs. > > Incorrect. Try reading again. Maybe you’ll get it. Click the up arrow on the quotes, and you will see it leads to a post of MINE addressing REMIEL’S claim. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/558 "2018-02-17T13:16:01Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Click the up arrow on the quotes, and you will see it leads to a post of MINE addressing REMIEL’S claim. If we are following where things lead, rather than what they actually are, then we should all just end right back up at the OP and get on topic? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/559 "2018-02-17T13:16:41Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > No. Since you wrote it, you should be able to explain it to yourself. I don’t even know what you mean by that statement. Oh god, the back pedaling… You already agreed Remiel’s claim was false. I asked you to explain your sudden turn on that, and explain how SP injection does not help new players EXCEPT in PvE, as was the implication of your new post. To test that, I introduced the economic PvP element, and put that to you. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/560 "2018-02-17T13:17:43Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Oh god, the back pedaling… Nothing to back pedal on. You asked a question that I have no idea what it means and you’ve asked me to explain it, when you wrote it. I can’t explain what you wrote, since it makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![Ravana\_729](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ravana_729/32/55540_2.png) [@Ravana\_729](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ravana_729)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/561 "2018-02-17T13:19:35Z")
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