# Why should I renew my subscription? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 7, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952 "2018-02-07T19:06:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/582 "2018-02-17T13:56:01Z")
You don’t mind if I step out for a smoke while you finish frothing onto your keyboard, do you? Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/583 "2018-02-17T13:56:40Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > … And you back-pedaled, again. You just cant /wont explain/justify your claim, nor back down from it, That’s all there is to it. Go ahead and feign an exit for the eleventh time already. You’ve already lost all credibility and all participants already recognize your claim as false. No doubt your response will be another cheap meme. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/584 "2018-02-17T13:58:43Z")
I never backpedalled anything. The context has been there all along. I was right, though. This one was, “lalalalalala I can’t hear you!” ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/586 "2018-02-17T13:59:58Z")
It’s already explained in the very post that contains it: > [@Why should I renew my subscription?](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/289): > > You do realise that this is not his problem. Veterans can do it too, and veterans know what they’re doing, and can create new accounts or boost their mains for an advantage that is markedly higher than any competition a new player might present. No, skill injectors do not in any way give new players a means to compete. It gives them a means to spend money on things they don’t understand yet. And then when they get exploded by someone with 100 mil less SP than them but 10 years more experience, … The whole thing is important. Not a cut to remove one statement from the context of the post. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/587 "2018-02-17T14:00:55Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > No, skill injectors do not in any way give new players a means to compete. Do you agree with this? (Quote above from Remiel) ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/588 "2018-02-17T14:02:58Z")
You’re actually trying to ignore the context, now. You’re doing it intentionally. It’s been literally reposted for you, spelled out for you, and you ignore it as if it’s not even there. You really are shameless. At this point, you are actually just trolling. Nobody who’s witnessed this can ever take you seriously on anything. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/589 "2018-02-17T14:03:44Z")
Context is everything. Ignoring it is foolish. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/590 "2018-02-17T14:04:34Z")
> [@Remiel\_Pollard](#): > > You’re actually trying to ignore the context, now. Even within that context, you re-iterated the same claim. Its not true, in either context. Either as the statement in your other post, or as wedged in as the operative claim in that paragraph. There is no purpose in fighting against your own mistakes. Man up, and own it. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/591 "2018-02-17T14:05:43Z")
![your-argument-is-invalid_o_1511325](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/3/b3c49a1a2e79f7a85bf08eb8f72fe3c88ec01200.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/592 "2018-02-17T14:06:19Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Do you agree with this? Wait what? Where did I write that? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/593 "2018-02-17T14:07:03Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Wait what? Where did I write that? I said its quoted from Remiel. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/594 "2018-02-17T14:07:43Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I said its quoted from Remiel. You quoted it from me. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/595 "2018-02-17T14:07:49Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > > > Wait what? Where did I write that? > > I said its quote-mined from Remiel. FTFY. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/596 "2018-02-17T14:08:19Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > By the way, if your monkey can review guides and recognize spawn triggers then you’re golden and should be making lot’s of bank in real life. You said that player skill does not matter, so why should he now suddenly read guides and recognize spawn triggers? ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/597 "2018-02-17T14:10:12Z")
pssst, could someone nudge an ISD form their donut induced inactivity? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/598 "2018-02-17T14:13:18Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > I said its quoted from Remiel. > > You quoted it from me. The forum is retarded like that. I appended that the quote is from Remiel. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/599 "2018-02-17T14:50:26Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > You said that player skill does not matter, so why should he now suddenly read guides and recognize spawn triggers? It takes less than 5mins to google a site guide and read it, and it only has to be done once in the history of a player. Knowing how to run the site will help, but what will help you more than that, and even more after reading the guide, is better stats. With sufficient stats via SP, some sites will never, EVER break your tank. You can stay in those sites 23hrs, immobile, and it still wont pop you. Ergo, stats improve/help your efficiency at running them. Ergo, SP injectors help new players, too. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/600 "2018-02-17T15:09:59Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > You said that player skill does not matter, so why should he now suddenly read guides and recognize spawn triggers? Good god man, you seriously have a problem, constantly presenting statements out of context. I never said player skill doesn’t matter, I said experience doesn’t matter because that knowledge can be easily obtained in guides. Your futile attempt to prove otherwise is laughable at best. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/602 "2018-02-17T15:32:46Z")
skill injectors will always help new players to inject basic fitting skills ship skills for role bonuses navigation skills etc however none of the injected skills will inject actual player skill and knowledge like knowing what fights to pick what playstyles to use and understanding how your ship will perform against others training skills without injectors means you will suck for a long time but by having bad skills it also teaches you how important the skills are and the effect they have on your ships so both arguments are correct if i am a new player and i inject motion prediction v then i will have good tracking with my guns to shoot players however if i train that skill the hard way then i will learn the piloting techniques to improve tracking myself despite my bad skills either way neither of these things apply to new players as the game is already pretty overwhelming to a new player a new player is just gonna suck whether they inject skills or not until they are comfortable with how combat works and develop an effective playstyle ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/603 "2018-02-17T15:36:02Z")
> [@Sonya\_Corvinus](#): > > Stop feeding this troll already. Obvious trolling thread In GD With 600 responses … tells people not to feed trolls. Would you like a cookie little girl? 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952.md?page=28) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952.md?page=30)