# Why should I renew my subscription? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 7, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952 "2018-02-07T19:06:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Ravana\_729](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ravana_729/32/55540_2.png) [@Ravana\_729](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ravana_729)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/624 "2018-02-17T17:39:08Z")
all I know is DeMichael Crimson is a great guy who is almost always right about everything, and you should all shut up now. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/625 "2018-02-17T17:39:47Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > New space was discussed already in 2013 and still has not been elaborated on. > > Even if they do implement it, I doubt it will be like you wanted/envisaged. I did not envision anything. I’m not the type of player who dreams up an unrealistic perfect game and then gets upset when they can’t deliver. I’m not a game developer and don’t try to be one like many others on this forums. I really don’t care what kind of “new stuff” they implement or if they completely change their plans. But I think it is important that they present a way forward. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > This isnt on me. We have all agreed that Remiel’s claim was false. I called him on his BS and didnt let go till he rescinds it (which he still hasnt). That’s how its always been done here on this board. Yes, it is false when taken as an absolute. I agree. But the whole problem is that you repeatedly get extremely obsessed with simple semantic errors and thrash whole threads with discussions about simple nuances which are obvious to everyone anyway. It seams you have really a problem when people try to explain such things in a context where it actually was discussed and simply can’t let go of the obsession of attacking a single simple sentence as an absolute in isolation. Sorry, but this is on you. Well it is also on Rem, because he knows how to trigger this floods of spam in you… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/626 "2018-02-17T17:41:56Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > But the whole problem is that you repeatedly get extremely obsessed with simple semantic errors and thrash whole threads with discussions about simple nuances which are obvious to everyone anyway. I gave him ample opportunity to redact it. He has continuously refused, and crash/burned yet again in a spectacular sequence of ever worse posts, until he hit rock bottom. I dunno why you bother backing him. His claim was false. Everyone sees that, and yet some 400 posts later, he still doesnt. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > But I think it is important that they present a way forward. Well, you will no doubt get another roadmap/keynote soon™. Up to you whether you believe it or not. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/627 "2018-02-17T17:49:05Z")
He’s probably the most ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) person I’ve encountered in EVE forums. He gets stuck against random simple things and won’t let them go under no circumstance, as if the whole universe owed him a explanation rather than agree that he’s not like other people and some things just will never make sense to him… and the rest of the universe is not obliged to think like him neither. But then, ASD. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/628 "2018-02-17T17:51:24Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > He’s probably the most ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder) person I’ve encountered in EVE forums. He gets stuck against random simple things and won’t let them go under no circumstance, as if the whole universe owed him a explanation rather than agree that he’s not like other people and some things just will never make sense to him… and the rest of the universe is not obliged to think like him neither. But then, ASD. Interesting. You just described Remiel to a T, in ways you may not even know to be true. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/374866_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/629 "2018-02-17T17:53:56Z")
I haven’t discussed with him but certainly have discussed with you and… you’re not like other people when confronting cognitive dissonance. Seriously, you’ve posted like 150 messages here about a completely trivial matter that does not have an absolute answer, just because you think someone is wrong on the Internet. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/630 "2018-02-17T17:55:39Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > I haven’t discussed with him but certainly have discussed with you Afaik, this is the first single post we have ever exchanged. Sorry if I dont remember you. The description you gave in your previous post LITERALLY, word for word, matches Remiel, in ways you may not apparently be aware of. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_SkaIski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skaiski/32/126779_2.png) [@Nana\_SkaIski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_SkaIski)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/631 "2018-02-17T17:59:10Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > it is important that they present a way forward In the Winter CSM Minutes, there is roadmap discussed. But there is more about what there isnt, than what there is. Update page is really lacking in info too. So its still a surprise what will be done. But really, I dont know why so much secrets. It cant be worse, right? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/632 "2018-02-17T17:59:38Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > But the whole problem is that you repeatedly get extremely obsessed > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I gave him ample opportunity to redact it. > > He has continuously refused, and crash/burned yet again in a spectacular sequence of ever worse posts, until he hit rock bottom. > > I dunno why you bother backing him. > > His claim was false. WOOOOOOSH ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/633 "2018-02-17T18:01:29Z")
> [@Zircon\_Dasher](#): > > WOOOOOOSH Ima has agreed Remiel’s claim was false, at least as obtuse. The only head this is WHOOOshing over, is Remiel’s, for reasons I cannot discuss/specify here. PS: It might, maybe, perhaps involve ASD, and the typical features a certain someone outlined in a previous post. ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/634 "2018-02-17T18:04:53Z")
> [@Nana\_SkaIski](#): > > Update page is really lacking in info too. CCP has almost always reserved any information like that for fan fest once you get into November/ December. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_SkaIski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skaiski/32/126779_2.png) [@Nana\_SkaIski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_SkaIski)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/635 "2018-02-17T18:11:12Z")
There was a slight disappointment among community after previous Fanfest. Everyone was waiting for something better obviously. But you can deal with this in one simple way. Dont think about anything gamechanging. 🤷‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/636 "2018-02-17T18:12:41Z")
> [@Nana\_SkaIski](#): > > In the Winter CSM Minutes, there is roadmap discussed. But there is more about what there isnt, than what there is. Update page is really lacking in info too. So its still a surprise what will be done. > > But really, I dont know why so much secrets. It cant be worse, right? 🤔 Yes, I wrote this post before the minutes where released and they did not make any of my concerns better, in fact they pretty much reflected the view I presented in the op. Actually about a year ago I thought that “maybe they work on a very secret big expansion and just want to surprise us”. That hope is long since gone… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/637 "2018-02-17T18:13:55Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > That hope is long since gone… We all gave up hope years ago. Welcome to the club. ---
**Author:** ![Sonya\_Corvinus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sonya_corvinus/32/12161_2.png) [@Sonya\_Corvinus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sonya_Corvinus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/638 "2018-02-17T18:15:30Z")
> [@Zircon\_Dasher](#): > > Oh you DO want cookies. I thought you looked a bit hungry. Ok here: > > You have all the pieces and yet still do not have what it takes to work out what is going on. > > So sad really. > > Hope getting fed will increase synaptic activity! I’ll go ahead and stop feeding you as well after this comment, forum alt. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/639 "2018-02-17T18:18:05Z")
dont be mean to salvos he is a good poster in general its not his fault he has to argue the rest of us he doesnt always have the smarts the rest of us have but we cant all be higher functioning psychopaths ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/640 "2018-02-17T18:18:40Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Ima has agreed Remiel’s claim was false, at least as obtuse. > > The only head this is WHOOOshing over, is Remiel’s, for reasons I cannot discuss/specify here. Rem also knows that other than you I don’t obsess with details and isolated comments but see the overall picture. So whatever you think you won with my agreement I hope it gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling and you can finally sleep well this night knowing no one got confused by an absolute statement which is not exactly correct when observed in isolation. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_SkaIski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skaiski/32/126779_2.png) [@Nana\_SkaIski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_SkaIski)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/641 "2018-02-17T18:20:10Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > “maybe they work on a very secret big expansion and just want to surprise us” Before everyone will write their own fantasies in the “what will be in the next expansion” thread. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/642 "2018-02-17T18:24:47Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > Rem also knows that other than you I don’t obsess with details and isolated comments but see the overall picture. This is demonstrably BS, and your post history shows it, despite your recent change of tact, especially in this thread, which, among other things, highlights you as a hypocrit for taking advantage of SP trading, even though you claim to revile it. You and I both know Remiel’s condition, and that he cannot but obsess on an isolated comment, no matter how far he has to go to defend it, no matter how wrong it was. > [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > So whatever you think you won Yes, I won. Ill sleep happy and fuzzy knowing BS will not fly here. Even if it took 400+ posts to get there. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952/643 "2018-02-17T18:31:26Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > which, among other things, highlights you as a hypocrit for taking advantage of SP trading, even though you claim to revile it. Another thing you seem to have trouble with understanding. But I will not explain this again, I think I have done so multiple times and you really just don’t get it. So think what you want, that does not change the fact that I can hate a feature and abuse it at the same time, yeah, really surprising… seams to be a complete mystery to you. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Yes, I won. Ill sleep happy and fuzzy knowing BS will not fly here. > > Even if it took 400+ posts to get there. Well done. Good night [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952.md?page=30) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-should-i-renew-my-subscription/55952.md?page=32)