# Why The High-Sec Mining Hate? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 10, 2026, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220 "2026-08-10T17:22:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2026, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/1 "2026-08-10T17:22:17Z")
I get that players hate the large semi-AFK mining fleets (that AFK Orca ice mining fleet was something else), and no one likes bots. But why the general animosity towards high-sec miners? I also understand that griefing miners is “content”, but mining in high-sec is such a **thankless** and unprofitable activity. With the faster mining cycle times, small mining hold and small rocks - it’s evolved quite a bit since the press “F1” and watch Netflix days. You have to be fairly on top of it to keep a small fleet continuously mining now… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2026, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/3 "2026-08-10T17:33:51Z")
You owe me an MTU, lol. All jokes aside, yes - it’s definitely not a “fun” career… And sometimes I definitely feel like being “put out of my misery”. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2026, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/4 "2026-08-10T19:41:11Z")
Do what you like to do. Whetever that is, mining, industry, solo PVP, ganking, griefing, scamming… If you enjoy it, that’s all that matters. Don’t let others tell you what’s ‘right’ or ‘wrong’, that’s meaningless. You define what’s ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ for you. ---
**Author:** ![Tharshe\_Bloes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tharshe_bloes/32/491277_2.png) [@Tharshe\_Bloes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tharshe_Bloes)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2026, 11:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/5 "2026-08-10T23:04:13Z")
Is there a Nullec mining hate? Could it be the same hate, moving around in New Eden? Could it be a virus sent by the Jovians to weaken the alliances before a major invasion? ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2026, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/6 "2026-08-10T23:37:37Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > But why the general animosity towards high-sec miners? But why the general animosity towards high-sec gankers? ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2026, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/7 "2026-08-10T23:44:55Z")
20 Miners in one HS system is catastrophic. 20 Gankers in one HS system can just Gank 1 big ship and it’s nearly impossible to gank a watchful player. Bot’s, afk’s and distracted/dumb players are the target ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/8 "2026-08-11T00:31:10Z")
> [@Lydra\_Victor](#): > > But why the general animosity towards high-sec gankers? Is there? ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/9 "2026-08-11T00:33:04Z")
> [@Lydra\_Victor](#): > > 20 Miners in one HS system is catastrophic. Not necessarily… ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/10 "2026-08-11T01:27:39Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Not necessarily… I know you’re a career miner. 😁 But well. Career Gankers and Career Miners is a large part of New Eden ecosystem. It’s fun having them. I’m just chillin now because 3 legendary leaders of null had been defeated. Hating ain’t fun in the end. Protect @Aiko_Danuja at all cost. No more hate on my part against any leaders. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/11 "2026-08-11T02:32:47Z")
> [@Lydra\_Victor](#): > > I know you’re a career miner. Actually, I’m a full time mission runner. Mining is just an occasional hobby… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/12 "2026-08-11T02:33:25Z")
> [@Lydra\_Victor](#): > > I’m just chillin now because 3 legendary leaders of null had been defeated. Hating ain’t fun in the end. Who got wiped? ---
**Author:** ![Lusty\_Lucy\_Cybaritic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lusty_lucy_cybaritic/32/516328_2.png) [@Lusty\_Lucy\_Cybaritic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lusty_Lucy_Cybaritic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/13 "2026-08-11T03:03:40Z")
Hello Arthur, I just got back from my stay out in California. When I last played Eve Online, sometime back prior to the new Exordium Region, the claim was this would allow players to freely mine there. My question is what became of that grand plan? This forum was buzzing with all the gossip about how the new and impressive, ganker free zone would change the face of Eve. I assume the plan fell through? I have to get some personal affairs in order, then I plan to make a new character, and scope out the area for myself. Maybe by this weekend I will have the time to investigate. I never tell new players to AFK mine with an Orca, that is something I cannot do myself. I am a low sec miner, you get the best stuff in low sec. It is all about risk versus reward. However the short simple answer to your question is right there in posting number two. A lot of role-players like that want to be the black hat, Darth Vader, or Charles Manson. There are too few who arrive here wanting to be _helpful_. Miners are an easy target, no weapons, no defense, and a lot of ore in their cargo. If all the miners were scratched out of the game by FC, their focus would shift to the producers and haulers. They lack skill it takes to do real combat, so they attack miners. Mine safe ⛏ ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/14 "2026-08-11T03:14:50Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > I’m a full time mission runner One of the Marauder boys? ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/15 "2026-08-11T08:26:56Z")
Because Aiko and her squad believe that they are special to Fenris and that by blowing up ships in a mundane way, they want to believe that more miners they kill, the more real-world money is put into the game to quickly replace lost barges and the like. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/16 "2026-08-11T08:45:41Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Because Aiko I didn’t hear anyone in HS blaming The Mittani, Gobbins and Vince in the past. I witness Aiko’s real Arch nemesis but carebears nerfed her. RIP to that character. Its been fun supporting them in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Christine\_Creed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/christine_creed/32/510186_2.png) [@Christine\_Creed](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Christine_Creed)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/17 "2026-08-11T09:22:03Z")
> [@Lydra\_Victor](#): > > But why the general animosity towards high-sec gankers? The only people that have that animosity are the ones that dont fully understand the game. Their logic about what this game actually is and why people do what they do here is severely flawed…and has to be fully explained to them like a kindergartener. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/18 "2026-08-11T09:30:23Z")
This is sort of like claiming that lions hate wildebeest. Miners are simply facing the consequence of _choosing_ to be wildebeest. Its as simple as that…doesn’t need a treatise on existential angst. ---
**Author:** ![Uta\_Asmai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uta_asmai/32/476817_2.png) [@Uta\_Asmai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uta_Asmai)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/19 "2026-08-11T10:57:31Z")
Because 25%(aka a minority) of the players think THEY know the only way to play eve ‘correctly’ and that EVERYBODY else has to be enlightend and has to BOW to their ‘superioryty’… PVP has been pampered for so long they REALLY think that they are ‘the chosen ones’ and everybody that talks or acts against their approach is a heretic… This is not about common sense…it’s religious… ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/515931_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/20 "2026-08-11T11:11:07Z")
Sounds like Ammarians. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Honoka\_Kawai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/honoka_kawai/32/498595_2.png) [@Honoka\_Kawai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Honoka_Kawai)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2026, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220/21 "2026-08-11T11:41:01Z")
Or gank many T3 Cruisers each 15 minutes. As not many ships are needed to blow up one… [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/why-the-high-sec-mining-hate/516220.md?page=2)