# Will ccp accept dogecoin to pay for subscriptions? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 13, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243 "2021-02-13T04:18:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/208 "2021-02-15T16:11:37Z")
well, LOL away there, don’t forget to cackle. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/209 "2021-02-15T16:12:35Z")
Do you have any factual financial response or are you just a troll who thinks the last person to post is right? ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/210 "2021-02-15T16:13:14Z")
Scroll up ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/211 "2021-02-15T16:24:20Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > Ask anybody in Venezuala. > [@Zoiie](#): > > Scroll up The battle cry of the FOX News Zombies “Be Afraid or you will end up like Venezuala!” Outted as a QAnon right wing whacko. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/212 "2021-02-15T16:24:32Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Really, how long do you think the US is going to allow companies to move money in from overseas tax free? Predates crypto and is actually easier to track in a public ledger than with banks operating outside jurisdiction. > [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > How long do you think the US is going to allow drug cartels to launder money? Why would criminals use a public ledger for that? They alread have untrackable paper money. > [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > And the biggest joke of all, just because the crypto algorithm is secure doesn’t mean all the tools that go with are, but with no auditing who would know if they got hacked. All this software is open source and can be audited by everyone. And do you actually think with the possibility of billions of dollars that the incentive isn’t there that people constantly do that sice it’s inception? Bitcoin is pretty much gearing up to become the foundation of the future financial system. A country banning it means they will drive all the innovation in the space away and cripple their own economy in the process. I’m sure some will try, and immediately pay the price. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/213 "2021-02-15T16:28:35Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > banks operating outside jurisdiction. So you live in what, Somalia? 🤣 > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > All this software is open source And that’s a good thing? Naïve. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/214 "2021-02-15T16:33:02Z")
I’m naive because I run software where I can check how it works? Ok. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/215 "2021-02-15T16:37:49Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > As you can see, the scenario you postulate can not happen, as there will always be enough hash power to find new blocks, because the protocol adjusts the difficulty, no matter if miners join or vanish. The scenario can’t happen _assuming miners stop mining when profits drop_. But if miners stop mining this raises one of the other doomsday scenarios: the hashing difficulty is adjusted downward significantly, lowering the difficulty of hijacking attacks, but the hardware still exists to solve hashes at the higher difficulty. All it takes is one successful attack to destroy confidence in the integrity of the blockchain and crash bitcoin’s value to zero. > Bitcoin is pretty much gearing up to become the foundation of the future financial system. It really isn’t. Bitcoin has major structural flaws and nobody with any sense is going to commit any significant investments to it. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/216 "2021-02-15T16:41:38Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > I’m naive because I run software where I can check how it works? Ok. I’ve been a software engineer since 1989. What you just said is a total joke. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/217 "2021-02-15T16:42:25Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > I’m naive because I run software where I can check how it works? Because open-source software is a double edged sword. It means that you can audit your software, but it also means that the people trying to wreck the software can audit it and find things to exploit. That’s fine when you just want a cheap replacement for Photoshop, it’s a rather significant security risk when you’re trusting that software with (part of) the financial system and there is no government support to correct fraudulent transactions/database errors/etc. If bitcoin is attacked successfully anyone who loses money loses it permanently and there’s nothing they can do about it. (And the market knows this fact, so a successful attack on bitcoin likely crashes its value to near zero.) ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/218 "2021-02-15T16:47:11Z")
Finally someone who is not all starry eyed and blinded by the cool new shinny thing. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/219 "2021-02-15T16:51:28Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > future financial system Prophetizing isnt my best ability, but I think this will not change much: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/2/c/f2cf4b59a83954831e9fe9c147a25de7fa043542.jpeg) Add to it pandemics, asteroid impacts, revolutions, future wars, stock market and economy crashes, AI singularity , etc, etc… I dont have good advice. ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/220 "2021-02-15T16:54:35Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > 2021 is the year of payments What constellation is that? –Gadget gets a new sign every time she’s cloned… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/221 "2021-02-15T16:56:17Z")
The key difference here is that if AWS or whatever goes down and brings down the stock market any fraudulent transactions, lost data, etc, can be reversed. The end result is possibly some inconvenience for down time and delays to fix everything, but everything does get fixed. If bitcoin suffers a successful attack any losses are permanent. Sucks to be you that you just lost $10,000, but the federal government doesn’t protect bitcoin and couldn’t reverse the transactions even if they wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/222 "2021-02-15T17:03:51Z")
Thats truth bitcoin is data, and data can be lost access to. If more people lose access, the ones who still have it will rise in power. That brings one thing to my mind. If I would be Musk, I would buy a lot of Bitcoin, then start making other people lose access to their Bitcoin, in the end I would hold all the Bitcoin and be the richest person, able to redistribute it as I wish. Well, that could work before people start using Titcoin or some other crypto… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/223 "2021-02-15T17:08:25Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > If I would be Musk, I would buy a lot of Bitcoin, then start making other people lose access to their Bitcoin, in the end I would hold all the Bitcoin and be the richest person, able to redistribute it as I wish. Of course the inevitable result of this would be bitcoin’s value crashing to zero and Musk would be left with nothing. The goal of an effective attack on bitcoin would be to cash out as much as possible into real currency before the effects of the attack crash bitcoin’s value, not to hoard bitcoins for more than a few seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/224 "2021-02-15T17:13:34Z")
Hehe, I know. People can always invent new currency if the old gets boring and doesnt really work. The real losers look like this: > **[A Man Who Forgot His Password to Access His Bitcoin Could Lose $ 220 Million](https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/363394)** > > German programmer Stefan Thomas lost the document where he entered his IronKey years ago and has only two attempts to gain access left. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/225 "2021-02-15T17:44:12Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > But if miners stop mining this raises one of the other doomsday scenarios: the hashing difficulty is adjusted downward significantly, lowering the difficulty of hijacking attacks, but the hardware still exists to solve hashes at the higher difficulty. All it takes is one successful attack to destroy confidence in the integrity of the blockchain and crash bitcoin’s value to zero. Ok, let’s assume for a moment we life in fictitious universe where the rewards didn’t just increase by a significant factor that more than overcompensates the halfing and where fees aren’t already a significant part of the mining reward. Not all miners will stop mining at the same time. The ones with the most expensive energy bills will quit first, and that may already be enough for the rest to be profitable again. But let’s assume an even more unrealiatic scenario where the majority of miners quit. Yes that would indeed make it more vulnerable to 51% attacks. And let’s now assume since they quit mining because it wasn’t profitable they somehow now waste tons of energy justbecause to mount a 51% attack… Such an attack would be immediatly discovered and there are actually multiple ways how the network can respond and mitigate such an attack by adjusting the rules. Bitcoin is not just a dumb set of rules but a network of users. In case of a common threat they will consent pretty fast on new rules to cripple the attacker. A lot of intelligent people have thought about this and there are plans in place to respond should it ever come that far, which I highly doubt. But it wouldn’t be the end, just a bump in the road. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > It really isn’t. Bitcoin has major structural flaws and nobody with any sense is going to commit any significant investments to it. Ok ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/226 "2021-02-15T17:45:07Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > I’ve been a software engineer since 1989. What you just said is a total joke. Ok boomer ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/227 "2021-02-15T17:47:20Z")
Layer 2 LN depends upon Layer 1 settlement, the main blockchain, even without “rewards” they will get fees, the fees on layer 1 will rise, if you want cheap transcations, use Layer 2 LN. Bulk settlement will be done en masses, so cheaper fees on Layer 2, and bulk settlement fees on Layer 1, you can still use Layer 1 but it will cost more. Then again you will also get the angel miner that will under cut. Miners also get to pick the cream of the fees from the pool, they decide what transaction fees to take, others will RBF to get into a block as we do today. Earnings on Layer 1 won’t stop. We’ve had this before, we’ve also had much less miners in the past, it still existed. In fact with the rewards falling, we’re getting more hashpower in, more miners, more investment and more growth in Layer 2 nodes. It is also not limited to LN for Layer 2. There are other side chains. And then, you have future developments. This thing isn’t static and is evolving. We’ve had crisis before in Bitcoin, and other chains, they didn’t die. In fact they came out stronger. Be my guest, sit it out, scream gurn and shout. Stomp your feet, whatever. I don’t make my decisions of your howlings. Cry wolf as much as you want. I actually remember the GPU / FPGA crisis back in the Bitcoin CPU days. Then the pools, then, oh fork wars. Survived that one too. If we don’t have this dissruptive technology every so often, we get stagnent. Banks et al don’t change unless forced. This is the forcening. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243.md?page=12)