# Will ccp accept dogecoin to pay for subscriptions? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 13, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243 "2021-02-13T04:18:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/268 "2021-02-16T16:28:35Z")
Diamonds is not money, also not scarace nor valuable, also able to be manufacturered. Their “value” is manipulated by De Beers as is the entire market, impression of them as valuable is marketing by De Beers ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/269 "2021-02-16T16:57:31Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > The key difference here is that if AWS or whatever goes down and brings down the stock market any fraudulent transactions, lost data, etc, can be reversed. The end result is possibly some inconvenience for down time and delays to fix everything, but everything does get fixed. If bitcoin suffers a successful attack any losses are permanent. Sucks to be you that you just lost $10,000, but the federal government doesn’t protect bitcoin and couldn’t reverse the transactions even if they wanted to. The kiddies probably don’t remember the savings and loan fiasco. They may not understand the meaning of “FDIC Insured” or the importance. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/270 "2021-02-16T16:58:06Z")
Yeah back in the old days we actually had to do due diligence on whom we dealt with, we took responsibility You don’t need that if you do self-custody securely and you can take out a policy personally, self-custody is what they don’t like You already lost the minute you depend on somebody else I don’t go around saying “here hold my wallet”, or “here hold my gun” or here “hold my computer” or “here hold my important data” you’re in that mess because you let them take control of it all from you ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/271 "2021-02-16T17:03:48Z")
You just don’t get it do you? It is not about the value of the technology. It is about their place in the REAL world. They are trying to act as a international bank and a currency. Guess what, they don’t begin to meet the banking requirements of even the screwed up 3rd world country and as a currency they need to convince governments to replace their currency or it is all just speculative ■■■■■■■■. There is no future move that makes sense, they are riding sensationalism just like many fads of the past. When people realize the pound, dollar and yen are not going away this will be another bubble burst. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/272 "2021-02-16T17:05:00Z")
Currencies come and go, if you’re holding currency for long periods, well, just lol “oh it’s me savings” lol ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/273 "2021-02-16T17:07:36Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > Currencies come and go Well, sure, the pound has only been around since 1489, so it is pretty transient. 🙄 The dollar only since 1792, another transient currency. Like I said, a fool and his money are soon parted. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/274 "2021-02-16T17:08:35Z")
and the pound has changed over the years, but yes the “pound” is one of the oldest (and most counterfeitted so that gives it some value) it’s also no longer backed by physical (as is the US dollar also no longer backed by physical) and UK has no reserve requirement at all (US is now set to zero) Remember gordon brown, Brown’s Bottom selling the UK’s gold lol bwahahaha, with pre-notice and reverse auction, he left a dent in the chart Thanks for the cheap gold tho ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/275 "2021-02-16T17:09:43Z")
The short version of this conversation; Cryptocurrency is self correcting, utilizing a lot of vested individuals. The complexity is managed internally, and short of some government over reach, is a good investment. With proper research, you can find several cryptocurrencies that will perform similarly to bitcoin, and several like ethereum that perform well but are rather limited in overall value growth. If you’re arguing that technology can’t keep up, you’re wrong. The system is designed to keep going. Complexity is managed, safety is everyones goals. If you choose not to invest, that’s on you. However, opportunity cost was brought up earlier, so if you take that into account, you’re playing yourself by not investing. If you do invest, you take on the security responsibility of your own investment. Not everyone knows enough to do that, so of course bad people will try to take advantage of that. However, the information is out there and with proper research, you can significantly mitigate your own security risk. Just don’t be dumb and store your security online, or on a piece of paper you or someone you love could throw away. I suggest having a computer that never touches the internet as a proper storage vessel. A lot of people arguing how the complexity will be too much, technology can’t keep up. blah blah blah. It is keeping up, and will continue to do so. There is some risk, as with any investment. The whole point of decentralized infrastructure is you put yourself in charge of your risk. If you don’t know enough, keep arguing why it’s bad and it’ll fail. As I said above, you’re just playing yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/276 "2021-02-16T17:14:37Z")
> [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > and short of some government over reach Like banning competing currencies? Guess what, one of the fundamental tasks of all governments is to maintain and **protect** their currency. Anyone who thinks Congress, both houses, and the President, will sign off to replace the dollar is seriously drinking the cool aid. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/277 "2021-02-16T17:18:16Z")
I’m sure some people have pipedreams of replacing the entire current financial system, but I don’t honestly see that happening. cryptocurrency is worth x amount of value. dollars are worth x amount of labor value. It’s kind of an extension, to be honest. Dollars (or whatever your country uses) goes into cryptocurrency, which can be used in a multitude of ways, and eventually someone takes the dollar value back out. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/278 "2021-02-16T17:22:27Z")
Right, but there has to be a future story to maintain investment and depositors. If they can never be an official currency, and by definition not meet national banking laws. What is the investment, hype? Hype is fine if the only purpose is to play the stock price, like Gamestop, an essentially dead company. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/279 "2021-02-16T17:33:53Z")
and selling shares short you don’t have is perfectly fine, that right there is fraud and abuse but let’s blame the actual little buyers ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/280 "2021-02-16T17:35:06Z")
agreed. That’s why I previously called cryptocurrency the average persons stock market, without predatory regulations. The current stock market allows for all sorts of fraud, which happens every day. That doesn’t include insider trading. Crypto doesn’t have that issue. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/281 "2021-02-16T17:41:37Z")
That doesn’t matter to the point which is that these are hype based investments that have no real future. Like Gamestop, like dozens of tech IPOs. The only play is the market hype that is spread by starry eyed evangelists drunk on cool aid. That is part of the market. But that doesn’t give companies an automatic future in the real world. Watch what comes next, while bitcoin and friends have time to play out, the “ride sharing is not a taxi” and “you are the product” games are going to play out sooner. Wait until NYC makes all those uber drivers paint their cars yellow 🤣 All these ■■■■■■■■ lies end eventually! ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/282 "2021-02-16T17:42:07Z")
You’re not my nanny, I am at liberty to take whatever investment I deem fit The only ones being bailed out is the banks and dirty corporations ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/283 "2021-02-16T17:44:10Z")
I am not telling you not to invest, I’m telling you these are hype investments with no real future. Surely not something REAL companies with REAL products like CCP/PA should be messing with. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/284 "2021-02-16T17:44:20Z")
Define “future” ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/285 "2021-02-16T17:44:41Z")
lol, E V E R in this case. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/286 "2021-02-16T17:44:59Z")
Well, it’s been around for over a decade, that’s pretty long for a failure, and it’s exploded and growing IF that’s failure, I want more of it ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/287 "2021-02-16T17:46:14Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > you let them take control Not really, there are vulnerabilities you dont know about, but you can be a victim of. It is not even about ignorance but I dont know what… luck maybe? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243.md?page=15)