# Will ccp accept dogecoin to pay for subscriptions? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 13, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243 "2021-02-13T04:18:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/348 "2021-02-17T04:56:23Z")
> [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > To send you any form of currency would require a level of personal information I’m not willing to give you. Oh huh. I thought one of the things bitcoin fanboys love is that it allows you to be anonymous, at least to anyone who doesn’t have CIA-level resources to trace the block chain and issue subpoenas. Now you’re telling me that merely sending me a bitcoin would reveal your real world identity to me? > Why should you profit from my investment? I shouldn’t. I have zero expectation of profiting from your lies. The challenge is merely a way of demonstrating that you are a liar. > I’m pretty sure I’ve said multiple times “more than 30 accounts”. Not just on this thread, but others. Ok, so $6000 instead of $5500. It’s not much more than 30 because if it was you’d say 40+, 50+, etc. And it doesn’t change the substance of my point one bit if you have a few extra accounts instead of exactly 30. > Besides that, I have enough plex to crash jita prices. Yeah, sure, I bet you do. You’re just hoarding vast amounts of PLEX and doing nothing with it, purely for the sake of bragging on the forums about how much PLEX you have. I’m not sure which would be sadder, you being so desperate for affirmation that you’d post a lie like this, or it being true and you’re so lacking in imagination that you can’t even do anything fun with your PLEX. > To be clear, $5,500 a year on video games is a luxury that very few people can afford, if they were inclined to play this video game. Yes, but that’s not the point. A person with a solid middle class income can pay $5500/year for video games, but would consider $5500 to be a significant expense. A person who has $150+ million in cash and assets like you claim to have would never brag about a mere $5500/year. I think the conclusion is obvious when you are talking about it like it’s a significant expense. > Ok, you’ve got me there. You’re right, I do. The evidence is indisputable that bitcion is a volatile asset that has already crashed in the past, and talking about how great an investment it was is pure hindsight bias. > If the current bubble pops _When_ the current bubble pops. It will, like all bubbles, the question is when. It could pop tomorrow, it could pop a year from now. You can make a lot of money gambling on bubbles if you get lucky on when it pops, or you can lose everything in a matter of moments. > You’ve been told how the software is somewhat self correcting, and your answer is always some vague " it’s too complex for any technology". The fact that you don’t understand the math issues involved does not make the claim vague. I’ve been very specific about the fact that bitcoin’s algorithm is deliberately designed to demand vast amounts of CPU power with an exponentially increasing number of CPU cycles per bitcoin mined. > “It takes more electricity than whole countries.” Sorry if you don’t like it, but this is indisputable fact: [Bitcoin consumes 'more electricity than Argentina'](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56012952) This of course makes it hilarious when bitcoin fanboys talk about how bitcoin can survive without mining income or if the bubble pops. Once mining isn’t profitable there’s no way in hell bitcoin can use that much electricity and compete with Paypal/credit cards/etc as a fee-based transfer system. > But can’t quite grasp the fact that much smarter people than you are getting more and more involved. I would strongly disagree with this claim. IMO membership in the bitcoin cult is a concession that someone is not nearly as smart as they think they are. > Investing is about the long game. And bitcoin is a short-term bubble that is all about making as much money as possible before the crash and hoping you aren’t left holding bitcoin at the end. The reality here is that you got lucky at the casino and you’re so insufferably pleased with yourself that you’ve managed to convince yourself that it was skill and not sheer luck. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 4:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/349 "2021-02-17T04:59:48Z")
What I want to know is, when bitcoin goes to $0.00, will somebody have to go to prison for the fraud, or is it legal because it is all out in the open? ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/350 "2021-02-17T05:28:14Z")
You edited out the (any) part. I don’t want scum to have Any information about me. Not even which wallet I use for my cryptocurrency. Your “challenge” was issued knowing full well that Nobody would ever, under any circumstances, send more than $40,000 usd to a troll on the internet for no reason. Technically, by telling you the exact amount I spend every year on subscriptions, I told you how many accounts I have. Yes, I have a lot of plex. For $500 usd you get 15,400 plex. I’ve bought that pack every month, on multiple accounts for over 2 years. With it, I bought red and black robot arms for my alts, several skins for my ships,and I periodically exchange it for isk. I’ve entered into several contracts, exchanging plex for ships or modules. I don’t have $150+ million in cash, and you don’t spend assets in the real world. You hold onto them. Your conclusions are based on your own ideas about how people should live and act, according to how much money they have. Spend less time watching tv. It’s not real. The crashes in bitcoin in the past still settled at a Much higher value than early investors put in. If the bubble pops now, I’m sure some people would lose money. As it is right now, it should be traded at value, not bought into by virgin investors. I’m not suggesting anyone get into bitcoin. Companies are doing that, and they can afford to. Most normal people couldn’t justify a $49,000 usd buy in for any investment. I am, however, suggesting to look at the other cryptocurrencies, and buy in early, and cash out when it hits sufficient value for Your goals. If you think you need to be the richest person on earth, you’re day dreaming. Making $100 million isn’t a daydream though, if you diversify and sit on good investments. I think most people would be more than happy with $5 million, tbh. Your naysayer claims are always from a point of intentional fallacies. You’ve been told how the software works. You refuse to understand it and come up with horse feces answers in response. Argentina only has 45 million people. It’s a tiny, tiny country. You would be considered somewhat wealthy to make $1000 usd a month there. I’m not sure you could live anywhere in America with the same income, considering that’s lower than our poverty line. \*Edit; apparently people on disability make less than $1000 a month. Didn’t know that, sorry if I’ve offended anyone. I’m not concerned with the fact that millions of people with computer farms use more electricity than them. Your idea that one has to be dumb to be into cryptocurrency says more about you than the reality of things. I am very proud of myself. I went from nothing to being secure for the rest of my life. Why wouldn’t I be proud? Shouldn’t you get to bed soon so you can go to work in the morning? 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 5:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/351 "2021-02-17T05:29:17Z")
Even the lowest drop didn’t take it to nothing. Compared to the investment, it’s Always performed well. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/352 "2021-02-17T05:34:52Z")
There was a time, long ago, when stock certificates were printed on paper. A time when having an asset didn’t require constant, ongoing power-input just to keep the hamster wheel spinning. Once maintaining the block chain costs more than the bitcoins are worth, I’m pretty sure bitcoin will return to its intrinsic value of nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 5:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/353 "2021-02-17T05:38:53Z")
> [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > You edited out the (any) part. I don’t want scum to have Any information about me. Not even which wallet I use for my cryptocurrency. So send it to a throwaway wallet, send it to me from the throwaway, and then delete the throwaway wallet. FFS, isn’t the whole “bitcoin is anonymous” thing supposed to be one of its major selling points? > Your “challenge” was issued knowing full well that Nobody would ever, under any circumstances, send more than $40,000 usd to a troll on the internet for no reason. No. Nobody _with a decent middle class income_ would send $40,000 to someone on the internet to win an argument. Someone with your claimed level of wealth would do it without hesitation because $40,000 is a trivial amount of money to them, like a person with a middle class income paying $1. > Yes, I have a lot of plex. And, like I said, I’m not sure which one I think is sadder: that you’re compelled to lie about a fake PLEX hoard, or that you really spend thousands of dollars a year on PLEX and do nothing fun with it. Why aren’t you crashing the Jita market just for fun? Paying people to start wars? Etc. Why even play EVE if all you seem to do is spend money on cosmetic items? > The crashes in bitcoin in the past still settled at a Much higher value than early investors put in. And other cryptocurrencies/penny stocks/etc didn’t. You’re once again looking at this with blatant hindsight bias and assuming that because you got lucky and picked a winner with your gamble that it was a rational decision to make at the time. > I’m not suggesting anyone get into bitcoin. Cool. So we agree that cryptocurrency is a bubble, bitcoin will crash, and none of it has any long-term value whatsoever. > You’ve been told how the software works. I’ve been told how people wish it works, with a bunch of handwaving about how “bitcoin will fix it”. Meanwhile I’m laughing with my software engineer partner about how hilariously wrong all of the defenses of bitcoin are. > I’m not concerned with the fact that millions of people with computer farms use more electricity than them. Then you don’t understand the situation. Paypal isn’t paying for the electricity use of Argentina to run their service, which means a fee-based bitcoin system can’t compete with conventional money transfer services. The only way bitcoin can function is if mining income is sufficient to pay for things like using more electricity than an entire country to literally generate waste heat as fast as possible. When mining ends bitcoin also ends. And TBH the spectacular waste of energy inherent to bitcoin is a good reason for governments to kill it. I’d love to see a ban on mining farms and a massive transaction tax imposed on everything related to bitcoin. > I went from nothing to being secure for the rest of my life. There are lottery winners who could say the same thing. Spending any non-trivial amount of money on lottery tickets is still a profoundly stupid thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 5:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/354 "2021-02-17T05:44:11Z")
Because crashing the in-game market would go a long way to killing the game I enjoy so much. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 5:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/355 "2021-02-17T05:46:35Z")
> [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > Because crashing the in-game market would go a long way to killing the game I enjoy so much Only the PLEX market. And think of all the good you’d do, cheap PLEX means it’s much easier for people who can’t afford to pay for subscriptions to pay with PLEX instead. The only people who get screwed over are the PLEX speculators. You’d be the hero of EVE! ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 6:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/356 "2021-02-17T06:08:07Z")
In reality it would all be bought by a handful of market bots and relisted for a higher amount. I’d be funding the scum within eve, and doing nothing for normal players. Incidentally, one reason I won’t send you a single bitcoin; I don’t fund scum. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/357 "2021-02-17T07:10:31Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > So send it to a throwaway wallet, send it to me from the throwaway, and then delete the throwaway wallet. FFS, isn’t the whole “bitcoin is anonymous” thing supposed to be one of its major selling points? It’s getting more pathetic by the minute. I have a better idea, but you have to solve this quiz first: ![bitcoin_quiz](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/3/b/e3bb39f7810593940287180db46489bbd1cfddb7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/358 "2021-02-17T07:37:03Z")
There are just so many cryptos you can pick a funny name, search for a crypto named like that, and you can find it. How is this different than printing your own monopoly money just with different face on them each time, in limited batches? Then offering them on monopoly money stocks? 😂 For sure if someone can make money (not bitcoin) speculating on it, someone will do. That is happening now. But foundations of future economy? Ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/359 "2021-02-17T07:53:24Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > There are just so many cryptos you can pick a funny name, search for a crypto named like that, and you can find it. > How is this different than printing your own monopoly money just with different face on them each time, in limited batches? I mean if you have to ask this question it clearly shows that you are completely oblivious to any fundamental analysis about why some of this coins or tokens retain value and others are basically pump scams that will vanish again. So it’s probably really best if you stay away from crypto or any investment that needs some minimal effort of research and continue your life as a productive citizen in the work force. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Then offering them on monopoly money stocks? Which is actually funny because at the current rate of money printing it would not surprise me if vintage monopoly money is soon worth more than their RL equivalent 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/360 "2021-02-17T08:00:03Z")
I am keeping away from the monopoly money everyone can create and print. I have my own. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/361 "2021-02-17T08:05:45Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > I have my own. A Nana Skalski coin? Sounds like it would pump, I’m in BTW Bitcoin just cracked 51k 🤑 feels good to be on the right side of history if it is directly rewarded with insane gains 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/362 "2021-02-17T10:10:24Z")
> [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > For $500 usd you get 15,400 plex. I’ve bought that pack every month, on multiple accounts for over 2 years. $500 a month?! That’s $6000 a year! Mind. Is. Literally. Blown. Whatever your real life day job is _(I’m assuming here that it’s head of the UN, Astronaut, Boeing Aircraft Marketing Manager, International Jewel Thief or something similar…)_ can you tell me how to get one like it please? Wow! 🐁 ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/363 "2021-02-17T10:27:26Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > I am keeping away from the monopoly money everyone can create and print. As someone who has a RL professional level of interest in graphic design and printing, the thing that I find amazing and baffling about the USA is the way they, as a nation state deal with their money. In the UK, you cannot buy the paper that money is made from, or access the specific inks they use and a bunch of other security reproduction technology is either off limits or subject to review by the authorities should you attempt to purchase it. In American not only is the actual paper that Dollars are printed on available on the open market for anyone to buy but the money is printed in fairly standard green and black ink, hardly difficult for forgers. 🐁 ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/365 "2021-02-17T12:00:17Z")
You just don’t get Bitcoin do you, Bitcoin does not depend upon regulation. It is about SELF-CUSTODY and p2p. You’re killing what it is designed to be. If you don’t want it, don’t use it, step aside, sit this one out. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/367 "2021-02-17T12:03:49Z")
Bitcoin whitepaper has ZERO (0) occurrances of the term “regulation” Go read it. I don’t need your permission and approval to send MY coins to somebody else and vica versa. I bet you wouldn’t complain if I sent you some right now. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 12:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/369 "2021-02-17T12:06:19Z")
Ok I won’t send you any, not until you regulate it. You don’t want any, There goes your chance to get some Bitcoin. Hands up who wants some unregulated coins? ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/370 "2021-02-17T12:10:56Z")
Noted, “I don’t want it anyway”, no problem, I added you to my list of “whom not to send Bitcoins to”. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243.md?page=19)