# Will ccp accept dogecoin to pay for subscriptions? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 13, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243 "2021-02-13T04:18:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/372 "2021-02-17T12:13:13Z")
For somebody that doesn’t care you type a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/374 "2021-02-17T12:15:32Z")
scroll up if you want more content from me ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/376 "2021-02-17T12:16:01Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You realise that it’s only that way because it’s unregulated, right? The thing people seem to miss is that if a cryptocurrency were to become mainstream the exact same regulatory controls and safeguards would come into play and the currency would act pretty much like any fiat currency. The price increases are because of supply and demand. What this has to do with lack of regulation is beyond me, please elaborate. Bitcoin is currently traded as an asset, like any other asset like gold, stocks etc. It’s already pretty regulated and obviously will get more regulated, which is a good thing. That will however change nothing about the fundamentals of Bitcoin as the way it works is beyond the reach of anyone even governments. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It should also be noted that like any other form of gambling for one person to win, someone else has to have lost while the people running it take a cut. I’m not sure how people have been convinced that everyone investing in crypto is winning. Again, it is the same as with stocks or other assets. If I get a stock for $10 and sell it to you at the current price of $100 you did not lose $100 but got an assets at it’s current price which you can sell at any time. Obviously any investment comes at a risk of losing value again. Bitcoin has one of the best track records of any assets in history for over a decade now. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Crypto currencies aren’t inherently superior, just like anything else they are simply a way to tokenise and represent value. People seem to cheer that they have more control because they own their private keys, but it’s on par with someone claiming they have control by keeping all of their cash under their beds so the banks can’t touch it. The comparison to cash is valid, although it is digital and programmable cash. The issue with a digital version of cash before Bitcoin was always that you required one or many trusted middleman for the system to work. Bitcoin was the first system that solved that and that was a gigantic revolution which sparked a whole industry that is still discovering what all this could actually change. Apart from decentralized digital money and Bitcoin as the evolution of the financial system, the blockchain technology at large is the next evolution of the internet that will bring actual ownership of digital assets. That is huge if you think about it. Especially for gaming. We have seen nothing yet. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/377 "2021-02-17T12:25:47Z")
Plenty of (regulated) charities accept it, are you saying we’re wrong and bad and evil for donating to charities with it? Should I stop donating to them? There are some live saving charities we give to, you want us to stop? ok then, bad evil me. I’ve been doing bad things by donating to these causes. I’m such a villan. There’s far more corruption in REGULATED companies and their personal charities by big money than there is in good causes and crypto. Don’t make me list them. > **[Bitcoin Donations - Donate To The RNLI](https://rnli.org/support-us/give-money/bitcoin-donations?ref=cryptocurrencyjobs.co)** > > The RNLI is the first major charity in the UK or Ireland to accept Bitcoin, a form of digital currency. Make a donation and help save lives at sea today. next time you’re life is saved by the likes of these, refuse it, because they accept evil crypto and you’re against that. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/379 "2021-02-17T12:59:55Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Because it’s regularly pumped. If it were a regulated currency there would be rules that prevent it being manipulated at such a scale. It’s not like a normal asset as again, you can’t pump the value of a normal asset in the same way bitcoin can be manipulated. You’d rapidly find yourself in court if you tried to pump the stock price of a company like bitcoin is. Yes pump and dump schemes are illegal, and it would be absolutely amazing if the regulators would go after the people doing that in crypto. For Bitcoin it will go away kinda as the market cap increases and it takes more capital to move the market as a whole. That doesn’t change anything about the fact that actual valuation of the asset is based on supply and demand. A decade of an average 200% price increase can not be discussed away by simply attributing it to pump and dump. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > With crypto, because most people who are hardcore fans of it aren’t actually very bright, they tend to believe the lie that it’s created value, and that for them to get $100, noone had to pay anything in, it was just created. Well you just said that someone has to “lose” money when trading assets, which is equally weird. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You’re still trusting a middleman though, it’s just a much more decentralised middle man. The only “trust” I need when using Bitcoin is in math and cryptography. If you want to call that a decentralized middleman… well that would be a pretty stupid word game… but I have seen worse here. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The market cap makes it unlikely that a 51% attack could happen at this stage but you’re still reliant on the decentralised network maintaining the ledger. We’re not at the stage yet to understand how that works long term. I think that PoW systems will struggle long term. We will see. It works pretty fine right now and the system has means to adapt if required. 51% attack are not as detrimental as people who seem to only have some vague understanding about the technology make it out to be. There are a lot of alternative consensus models tried out currently and maybe Bitcoin will adopt one of them in the future, but at the moment it is simply no necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/380 "2021-02-17T13:08:45Z")
No, actual money with my face on it. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/b/3/8b3b8cf6a28bce5b26a5e19fa1e460764d82140c.jpeg) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/b/8/cb8e7f1abfa6f2761ac3dcce7edaebefe01fa48a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/382 "2021-02-17T14:27:47Z")
I really have warmed to @Clary_Daemon Excellent posting, good tone, literate. Top marks! ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/383 "2021-02-17T14:37:21Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But it’s not raw supply and demand. A lot of it is around misinformation driving an unnatural amount of demand. A decade of an average 200% price increase is evidenc ein itself that it’s not realistically just based on regular supply and demand. Yeah we probably have to disagree on that. There are a lot of fundamentals that are at play here that make Bitcoin a lot more valuable than it currently is, but it can’t just skyrocket to the heavens so it is slowly creeping upwards in value to a market cap that would be appropriate for such a monumental invention. There are people who understand that and bet on it and people who don’t of for whom it takes longer… that is all just fine. All I will say is that in my opinion the value is not only absolutely justified, it is actually extremely cheap. This is no financial advice, I’m a moron buying worthless bit, just saying. I also just ate my crayons. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m not saying it’s just pump and dumps driving it, but a lot of the things that do drive it, such as it’s ease of use by criminals, total anonymitiy, ease of avoiding taxation, etc - these are things that would be purged if it were regulated. Since all transactions are public, it is actually much easier to catch criminals that use Bitcoin than many other means of exchange. Obviously a lot more can be done my regulating on/off boarding, but in general the fears people have that Bitcoin is used by criminals is pretty unfounded. As for “regulation will fix that”, like it does with all the banks who are non-stop in the press of being involved in criminal activities, money laundering and tax evasion. I somehow have the impression that isn’t a Bitcoin problem. It will fix a lot of other problems with the banks though. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Just look at Zoiie. Donates to a UK charity, so potentially living in the UK. What are the chance they obey the actual law and pay capital gains tax on any realised gains over £12k, with UK law counting a realised gain as an increase in value when exchanged for any other regular or cryto asset or for fiat currency. I have no idea. But regulators will probably go after the exchanges to get to that data to check if they don’t already do that, as they should. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Not really, it’s just semantics. If you pay in for an asset then sell that asset for 10x what you paid, you “win” the gain. For that to happen someone else has to have “lost” that gain. That is not how that works. Yes if I sell for 10x then I can book a “win”. The other person doesn’t lose though, because it bought at current market value. You “win” or “lose” the moment your sell the asset again. In the meantime you have a unrealized win/loss for the current price relative to the price you bougt Your definition makes no sense because what if I buy an asset and then immediately sell. Did the “loss” just magically vanish? Or did I transmit the “loss” to the next buyer? That makes zero sense. But whatever, I have a feeling you will as always just stick with it and this was just wasted effort… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s not accurate though. If miners stopped mining bitcoin would be worth zero because you wouldn’t be able to do anything with it. In a normal banking system the bank maintains the transaction ledger that shows where value is held. With crypto that’s crowdsourced with a consenus mechanics ensuring the ledger is accurate. You still need the people forming that consensus and they replace the bank. In a PoW system that’s peole who have spare computing power. In a PoS system it’s people who have cash invested. That makes no sense again. I don’t have to trust the miners. All the miners do is bring the transactions into a historical order. I don’t even have to trust them to keep mining as anyone including me can take up mining at any time. And they can only produce blocks that follow all the rules that my node will independently verify. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > This tells me you don’t understand what a 51% attack is. A 51% attack effectively allows one person to determine what the consesus is on the ledger, which in theory alllows them to do pretty much whatever they want because they get to decide if a given transaction is valid. No that is entirely false. As I said, it extremely overblown what 51% can do by people who don’t really understand the technology which you just demonstrated. They can not say if a transaction is valid or not. A transaction can be independently verified by everyone, because all the required information what is required for a transaction to be valid (required proves of ownership of an address for example) can be seen in the blockchain and they have to be provided in the transaction. A miner can’t forge that, a miner can’t pretend it isn’t valid. All the miner with \>51% can do is to decide to censor a transaction by not confirming it. Or the miner can simply ignore all transactions and then none get confirmed which effectively blocks the blockchain. The miner can also under extremely great risk attempt to un-confirm transactions by forking out from an old state and attempt to make it the longest change. But the more he goes back the insaner the costs for the attacker and the more unlikely the attack will actually work. It would need a pretty prolonged attack to actually hurt bitcoin, and it’s not like people didn’t think about that and there aren’t already plans in the drawer how the network can respond to such an attack. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Of course with the computing power mining bitcoin owning 51% of it would be near impossible. Again though, with quantum computing on the horizon that won’t always be the case. It’s unlikely Google would attack bitcoin but they probably could. Even if quantum computing became a reality that doesn’t even mean it would have an impact on hashing algos. And even if it would, all it would do is another shift in what we have seen from CPU → GPU → FPGA → ASIC ( → QC ). > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s already becoming necessary. Transaction fees are on the rise again. Not to mention that if bitcoin were mainstream it would simply not cope with transaction volumes. Transactions per seconds has absolutely nothing to do with the consensus mechanism. Maybe you really should read some more about the technology. The 10min per block and block size that limit the “throughput” are just constants in the code that form rules that could simply be changed. Bitcoin cash for example did that. But there are some fundamental reasons why changing those parameters is a bad idea and will hurt decentralization. Read about the blockchain trilema if you are interested in the background about that issue. Basically all the “faster than bitcoin” shitcoins make some tradeoffs that would seriously hurt them if they had actually any traffic on their chain. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Bitcoin can handle what, 7 transactions per second? Processors like VISA do thousands per second. Bitcoins base layer can not scale better. The solution for this is the Lighting Network which is a second layer on top of Bitcoin that uses multisig transactions and some rudimentary smart contracts to form payment channels. This then forms a payment network that has absolutely fabulous properties, like unlimited transactions that require no prove of work. Instant global finality within milliseconds, not just after an hour or after days. VISA actually needs days to settle transactions in the backend. Look it up, it’s actually pretty amazing. It’s as if everyone suddenly has access to a global settlement layer that is so much beyond anything the banks have that people still try to figure out the implication of all this. For example you can do stuff like streaming money… pay for a service every five seconds, not just after the fact, but in real time. There are already products and companies emerging around it. They are called neo-banks, just that they are a lot more efficient and where you would have previously needed a tall building full of people now you just have nerd in a hoodie. That is why I’m pretty certain that Bitcoin is the new foundation of the future financial system. And that is also why I think we are still early and Bitcoin is still cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/384 "2021-02-17T14:50:06Z")
I am really enjoying this thread. It allows me to see into people’s brains as they literally convince themselves of “anything”. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/385 "2021-02-17T14:50:44Z")
And that’s our liberty to do so ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/386 "2021-02-17T14:57:41Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > LOL. Maybe so. LMAO. > > Cryptocurrencies are a total scam, 100%. Didn’t you read what has been posted by the FOX Zombie Preppers, it will survive WW III… After that we will go back on the gold standard… 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/387 "2021-02-17T14:58:05Z")
Some never left the gold standard ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/388 "2021-02-17T15:04:55Z")
Gold is great for when you need to walk from Normandy to Kolkata to buy some myrrh. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/389 "2021-02-17T15:13:06Z")
I don’t work. I was an early investor in bitcoin and made an absolute killing when I cashed out. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/390 "2021-02-17T15:15:05Z")
Technically, Clary does work. She just works at Eve, rather than IRL. ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/391 "2021-02-17T15:27:18Z")
> [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > I don’t work. > I was an early investor in bitcoin and made an absolute killing when I cashed out. I’m not trying to be rude and you saying _“I’d prefer not to say”_ will be completely okay here, but out of curiosity, and I am really curious, roughly how much did you invest and roughly how much did you cash out with? 🐁 ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/392 "2021-02-17T15:32:29Z")
A little less than $2000 usd invested, and when I cashed out 2000 coins I made, before taxes and fees, about 90 million usd. I still have just over 1000 coins which I’ll probably be cashing out soon-ish. I’m hoping it’ll reach $55,000 each, and that’s the point I’ll sell. If I see it starting to lower below $50,000 I’ll probably also sell. I’ve made more than I can reasonably spend in my lifetime, and I can’t have kids. I already gave a lot of money to family and friends, so they’re set too. I use coin purse to check prices, as I find the ui is friendly. However, I do not use it to trade or hold currency, because their security isn’t the absolute best. ![Screenshot_20210217-093007](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/6/8/0682df8442dbe724c316f728f98b66ab004a377d.png) ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/394 "2021-02-17T15:34:06Z")
250k target yo, don’t you follow Peter Brandt? also upper bound on log scale uptrend ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/396 "2021-02-17T15:36:08Z")
The only problem I see with that is the majority of the gains have been due to the pandemic. There is something to be said about the current opinion of the stock market, and that’ll probably lend to more gain. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243/397 "2021-02-17T15:37:34Z")
😄 Your opinion of my financial situation doesn’t impact my financial situation. Display jealousy more obviously please. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-ccp-accept-dogecoin-to-pay-for-subscriptions/295243.md?page=20)