# Will prices go up or down as more casual players leave? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 17, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797 "2019-06-17T12:51:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/228 "2019-06-23T13:28:01Z")
Someone clearly has a complex of intellectualism to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/229 "2019-06-23T15:27:20Z")
> [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](#): > > > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > > > EVE (and WoW) are both PvE games with significant _competitive_ elements. > > [https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/communityassets/pdf/EVE-Online-New-Pilot-FAQ.pdf](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/communityassets/pdf/EVE-Online-New-Pilot-FAQ.pdf) > > Chapter 7: > > > The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment. > > **Essential core concept**. So no, EVE isn’t a PvE game. CCP may be on their best way on turning it into a themepark WoW clone, but they aren’t quite there yet. The initial idea may have been to create a pure PvP game but the finished product is far from that. There’s a big difference between concept and finalization. Concept: An abstract idea; a general notion. An idea or invention to help sell or publicize a commodity. Finalization: The completion or approval of a finished and definitive **version** of something. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/230 "2019-06-23T16:21:55Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > The initial idea may have been to create a pure PvP game ■■■■■■■■. It’s not possible to have PVP in eve without PVE . Wityhout PVE, there is no isk, there is no mineral. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/231 "2019-06-23T17:28:48Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > It’s not possible to have PVP in eve without PVE But…but… There is no PVE in this game. Everything is PVP. Everything. At least according to your posts - and pretty much everyone elses - up till this one. I’m guessing that like most posters in this thread, you don’t actually have a tenet. You just like being a contrarian. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/232 "2019-06-23T17:35:42Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > You just like being a contrarian. [NO I DON’T !!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suAZ2y2ekm8) > [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Everything is PVP. Everything. At least according to your posts quote me on that. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/233 "2019-06-23T17:45:55Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > > > Everything is PVP. Everything. At least according to your posts > > quote me on that. Here is where you said it. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Eve is PVP. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/234 "2019-06-23T17:48:45Z")
Your quote and his quote just don’t match. Are you trying to be dumber than you are ? Here is a tip : “Eve” and “Everything” both start by the same letters, but they are not the same thing. Especially since the explanation is given just afterwards : “EVE Online is essentially a PvP (Player versus Player) game at its core.” If you’re too dumb to read the complete post, shut up. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/235 "2019-06-23T17:51:07Z")
You’re the dumb one, constantly contradicting everyone and in this case even yourself when somebody calls you on it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/236 "2019-06-23T17:51:39Z")
your calls are BS. You don’t even read the post you quote. It’s even worse than that. Your quote actually says the _opposite_ of what you make me say. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/237 "2019-06-23T17:58:17Z")
I didn’t call you on it, Foggy Bernstein did, then you tried to refute it and said to quote you on it which I did and now you’re trying to deny it. All you ever do is argue with everyone, try following your own advice and just shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/238 "2019-06-23T18:01:56Z")
So now you are trying to argue but actually it’s a bad thing when somebody who doesn’t agree with you does it ? I call your own behavior complete BS. I called your BS already several time. Everytime you are wrong you are unable to accept it. Remember when you were claiming it was IMPOSSIBLE to share faction standing and I called BS on you ? Not even a single apology for all the lies you were affirming. You called me a cheater, a bug abuser. While I only kept the mail from CCP stating “it’s okay” for myself. You insulted me, just because you could not stand to be corrected . You were wrong, and never accepted it. Now you are just bitter and bitter every time you are proven false, instead of being thankful for still being able to learn things in that game. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/239 "2019-06-23T18:08:26Z")
Nice deflection. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/240 "2019-06-23T18:09:40Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You called me a cheater, a bug abuser. While I only kept the mail from CCP stating “it’s okay” for myself. > You insulted me, just because you could not stand to be corrected . > You were wrong, and never accepted it. Now you are just bitter and bitter every time you are proven false, instead of being thankful for still being able to learn things in that game. Wow. LOL, wtf is wrong with you? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/241 "2019-06-23T18:19:21Z")
Not arguing about anything, especially since all you do is lie and cloud the topic with toxic drivel. As for the Fleet Faction standing gain issue from epic arcs, a lot of other “older” players agreed with me that for a long time it wasn’t available. And it wasn’t, in fact players had to petition to get the standing increase after the arc was completed. CCP never did share it with fleet members, only gave it to the player that had the arc. Eventually after a while CCP got tired of doing that and started allowing it to happen. After your little outburst (which you constantly do), I sent in a Support Ticket about it and CCP did confirm that gaining Faction standing increase in fleet is not intentional and it’s a bug which they allow as long as it’s not abused / exploited. So enough of your toxic BS, stop derailing this thread with off-topic posts. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/242 "2019-06-23T19:19:44Z")
For the epic gain I told you several times to check your facts. But instead your prefered to keep spreading ■■■■■■■■, and started aggressing me. You literally called me a cheater and a bug user. Then CCP told you you were wrong. Please show how fool you are, call CCP cheaters and bug users. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > So enough of your toxic BS, stop derailing this thread with off-topic posts. That goes for you. Enough of your personal aggressions whenever you are proven wrong. and BTW just you affirming that «“eve is pvp” implies “everything in eve is pvp”» is enough to call your BS. You misquote me and use that misquote to say something wrong. That’s called a strawman. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/243 "2019-06-23T19:47:31Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You misquote me and use that misquote to say something wrong. That’s called a strawman. No, it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/244 "2019-06-23T20:59:28Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > […] > The initial idea may have been to create a pure PvP game but the finished product is far from that. There’s a big difference between concept and finalization. > […] Not disputing anything you said, but I have a complementary comment: IMO the core design (not all of which works well) was a hybrid. This is implied by the permanent loss of resources in combat - players weren’t expected to fight each other for long without PvE activities to replace lost equipment . What fits best is that it was designed by someone who _knew_ that PvP combat, handled well, is more fun than scenario-centric PvE. I’d question whether CCP has actually handled PvP combat well, but it’s too late to change that now 🙂 I’d expect that SOV was intended to provide a meaningful strategic objective for all players fully engaged with the game, so there there would be a continuous motivation to generate “stuff” to support strategically-motivated PvP combat, and as a _positive_ side-effect of that to smash up a lot of the stuff that had been created. This bit is too vague after so long though - I might be wrong. So IMO you can see EVE as a simulation of the classic “Guns or Butter” resource allocation model. Clearly I don’t think that supports the “bittervet narrative”, but the real issue is that the fantasy is consistently misused in destructive ways. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/245 "2019-06-24T09:03:33Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > Being banned form the forums is a consequence It’s worthless, though, because everyone can just sign up again and as long as he behaves better he’s not going to get banned again. The fact that there isn’t even a paywall anymore means that banning people is useless. Just look at LSG. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/246 "2019-06-24T09:11:05Z")
That may be why CCP changed the forum to “hide on flag” ---
**Author:** ![Praxxus\_Dentor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/praxxus_dentor/32/143525_2.png) [@Praxxus\_Dentor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Praxxus_Dentor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/247 "2019-07-25T16:33:18Z")
For real. I reported some via the ticket system and was chastised for reporting it that way and not through the “preferred method” Oh, well excuse me. I wasn’t aware there was another method. Eve doesn’t exactly provide clear instructions. You’d think they’d be grateful that people are tracking down bot accounts for them. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797.md?page=13)