# Will prices go up or down as more casual players leave? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 17, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797 "2019-06-17T12:51:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/62 "2019-06-19T10:12:20Z")
> [@Erik\_Aihaken](#): > > Yes it counts for him, because he simply plays smarter than you… > > And he can can both be chill and smart **at the same time.** > > If not, well it’s like those braindead idiots watching and zapping through shitty channels commercials on TV and saying it “chills” them out. > > Chilling = Braindead, the epitome of our modern day culture… Again “beeing smart” should not be necessary. Why? Because i PAY for the game and HAVE to be protected from stuff i don’t want. And yes that includes other players that want to FORCE their playstyle upon me. Said players can live this playstyle in low and 0.0…this place is big enough… And declaring a demand like this to “not beeing smart” is simply outrageous because i have THE RIGHT to do as i like and NO ONE has the right to hinder me doing that. FACT is the actual situation ONLY gives PVP those right. Bottom line. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/63 "2019-06-19T10:14:55Z")
Again no, being smart is a requirement to play this game. If you want your right to be a braindead toilet acknowledged by the game’s development, then there’s plenty other games that do just that. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/64 "2019-06-19T10:18:18Z")
BS like this is why players leave this game… You don’t seeing it as a reason on one hand and on the other hand spitting out demands of “beeing smart” is just part of the joke some people here are… The RIGHT to do as you want is not concentrated on PVP you know…it has to involve EVERY playstyle and if i WANT not to be bothered by PVP i have the RIGHT to be protected by CCP. And yes,it’s EXACTLY that simple. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/65 "2019-06-19T10:21:19Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > Because i PAY for the game and HAVE to be protected from stuff i don’t want Then stop playing Eve and play something else that does give you the experience you want? I don’t think CCP will ever change Eve to have total safe area’s, if they did it would remove the one thing that makes Eve, Eve and not just some other space game. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/66 "2019-06-19T10:21:30Z")
Sorry but I gotta call BS on everything you just posted. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/67 "2019-06-19T10:23:23Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > Then stop playing Eve and play something else that does give you the experience you want? > > I don’t think CCP will ever change Eve to have total safe area’s, if they did it would remove the one thing that makes Eve, Eve and not just some other space game. Well this is what numerous players do… You really don’t see this as a problem do you? They shall go and in time only PVP will remain and you have to fight the same dozen players over and over again…this is your dream for eve? Really? Well for any reasonable one this is a nightmare… ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/68 "2019-06-19T10:25:32Z")
Suppose a game like Chess lost its appeal because people around it would become too stupid to play it. No matter how many pieces you remove to simplify its mechanics to keep the game’s appeal to people, you will still need brains to play, and people will still fail at it, and be sore losers … Now transfer that to Eve, and you have your answer why this will never fully happen here, and you’d be better off playing some other game more adapted to your intellectual ambitions… ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/69 "2019-06-19T10:25:39Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > Then stop playing Eve and play something else that does give you the experience you want? That’s the problem right there, endless stream of people constantly saying that is what’s killing the log in numbers for this game. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/70 "2019-06-19T10:29:08Z")
That the game has become boring and too safe. Yes I have seen those threads from people who have left. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/71 "2019-06-19T10:30:29Z")
> [@Erik\_Aihaken](#): > > Suppose a game like Chess lost its appeal because people around it would become too stupid to play it. > > No matter how many pieces you remove to simplify its mechanics to keep the game’s appeal to people, you will still need brains to play, and people will still fail at it, and be sore losers … > > Now transfer that to Eve, and you have your answer why this will never fully happen here, and you’d be better off playing some other game more adapted to your intellectual ambitions… So the change is the problem not the problem the game obviously has in todays market? So you say let eve alone,it’s good as it is,an update is only unconviniend and will disturb us in our cozy neck in the woods. We don’t care about the game we only care about OUR eve,the problems and whishes of others are not our concern. THIS is you… ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/72 "2019-06-19T10:33:50Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > That the game has become boring and too safe. Yes I have seen those threads from people who have left… So todays market that gives players EXACTLY the saftey they obviously WANT is wrong and you and only you are right? The majority is wrong,the minority is a genius? Do you really not see how stupid you sound? ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/73 "2019-06-19T10:36:41Z")
Other games which have a large amount of PVE but still allow for the danger of unexpected PVP. They do exist you know. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/74 "2019-06-19T10:37:45Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > You really don’t see this as a problem do you? > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > That’s the problem right there, endless stream of people constantly saying that is what’s killing the log in numbers for this game. Frankly no I don’t see it as a problem. If I start to play a game and I don’t enjoy it I stop playing that game and find another one. People are not all alike, they do not all like the same thing that is why there are huge numbers of different games. I cannot understand people who play a game they do not enjoy, vote with your wallet and leave. **It is that simple.** If enough people leave then CCP will be forced to take some action, whether that is drastically change the game Star Wars NGE style or close it down for good. In case you hadn’t noticed CCP interaction on this forum is bascally ZERO they are not reading this, they are not listening to your complaints. The only way to get them to notice is vote with your wallet. ---
**Author:** ![Caidin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caidin/32/345327_2.png) [@Caidin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caidin)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/75 "2019-06-19T10:38:55Z")
[quote=“Karak\_Terrel, post:57, topic:167797, full:true”] The main reason for the first wardec changes last year (war eligibility) where that wars break up social bonds because the carebears adopted the strategy to just abandon the corp. Maybe that may help to retain some amount of players. But at the same time they crippled a play stile that was already suffering even more. [/quote] Hub camping and shooting beginners. Cry me a river. The wardec changes were well overdue. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/76 "2019-06-19T10:40:44Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > Other games which have a large amount of PVE but still allow for the danger of unexpected PVP. They do exist you know. And this game could be the same if it would ALLOW PVE to prosper without beeing forced into pvp. The games you mentioned HAVE pvp you are right in that,but in CONCEALED areas that you have to enter WILLINGLY(like if pvp would be killed in high entering LOW/0.0). THIS is the difference betwen those games and eve. EVE forces you into PVP said games let you actually CHOOSE . ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/77 "2019-06-19T10:40:48Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > It simply is OUTRAGEOUS that those suggestion are necessary AT ALL. Perhaps you would prefer not to have to undock at all and simply be given a weekly isk allowance? Your laziness and level of entitlement beggars belief. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/78 "2019-06-19T10:41:45Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > without beeing forced into pvp. Literally nobody is. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/79 "2019-06-19T10:42:33Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > THIS is the difference betwen those games and eve. > > EVE forces you into PVP those games let you actually CHOOSE . Well, I suppose if I wish to remain at level 49 and never leave Heidel, then I’ll be safe. That’s a bit like not undocking. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/80 "2019-06-19T10:42:51Z")
> [@Mortlake](#): > > Literally nobody is. Ever. That’s BS and you know it… Gankers,suiciders,gate camps ect…all this happens in high ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/81 "2019-06-19T10:42:55Z")
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