# Will prices go up or down as more casual players leave? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 17, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797 "2019-06-17T12:51:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/82 "2019-06-19T10:44:01Z")
Not forced into it though, are you. Offered multiple opportunities and ways to avoid it, in fact. Oh wait, you shouldn’t have to, should you? ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/83 "2019-06-19T10:44:03Z")
> [@Mortlake](#): > > Crack on m8. What is it? Mad that i have an argument against any of your posts? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/84 "2019-06-19T10:45:18Z")
> [@Mortlake](#): > > Not forced into it though, are you. > > Offered multiple opportunities and ways to avoid it, in fact. > > Oh wait, you shouldn’t have to, should you? And i said those “opportunities” are not valid at all because they are just workarounds for the unecessary pvp favor this game has…this favor simply has to stop or players simply continue leaving,but we already learned that this is exactly what you want… You want to be alone with your 1000 pure pvp people and constantly kill each other in an endless loop…this is your wet eve dream… ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/85 "2019-06-19T10:45:21Z")
It’s so adorable seeing so many people who really have zero impact on the game overall threaten the end and downfall of the game. We’ve seen crying and arguments like this for the last 10+ years and EVE is still fine. Especially so when they’re are casual enough that they can’t make enough ISK in a month to PLEX themselves. How much of an impact do these kids actually think they have overall? ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/86 "2019-06-19T10:45:32Z")
I wasn’t replying to you. Also your ‘arguments’ primarily consist of capitalised whining entitlement. I’m not really seeing your point, short of you requiring the game to effectively play itself for you. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/87 "2019-06-19T10:47:55Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > that is you wet eve dream Are you 12? ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/88 "2019-06-19T10:48:53Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > It’s so adorable seeing so many people who really have zero impact on the game overall threaten the end and downfall of the game. We’ve seen crying and arguments like this for the last 10+ years and EVE is still fine. > > Especially so when they’re are casual enough that they can’t make enough ISK in a month to PLEX themselves. How much of an impact do these kids actually think they have overall? Eve is fine? How is eve fine? Players are leaving to a point the game is not profitable anymore and you play the “all is well and eve needs no change” record over and over again… ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/89 "2019-06-19T10:51:19Z")
> [@Mortlake](#): > > Are you 12? Ahh i see… No argument left so the insulting starts… What is this? A political correctness insult? Is even the mentioning of “a wet dream” inappropiate? Really? Well…this is another big concern in todays world,but this is not to be discussed here. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/90 "2019-06-19T10:57:06Z")
You did it first. Why are you still talking? ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/91 "2019-06-19T10:57:46Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > Other games which have a large amount of PVE but still allow for the danger of unexpected PVP. They do exist you know. They do ? ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/92 "2019-06-19T10:57:51Z")
> [@Mortlake](#): > > You did it first. You mean the cavemen? This is no insult just a declaration… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/93 "2019-06-19T10:59:21Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > Players are leaving to a point the game is not profitable anymore and you play the “all is well and eve needs no change” record over and over again… Well, first, you need to show that EVE isn’t fine. You’re citing high level “there are less players!” arguments and trying to use that to claim that PLEX should be lower without even being able to make a connection between the two. Nevermind the fact that many of the players from 4-5 years ago have: 1. probably done most of the stuff they’ve wanted to do in-game 2. grown up, gotten jobs and families and now have less time for the game 3. gotten bored of EVE and moved onto other games Factor that in with the fact that EVE isn’t really a mainstream game that appeals to the younger generation of kids (who would have more free time), it’s pretty easy to see why player counts are down. But you carebears and highseccers always need to make it about _your_ own needs and try to flip it into a reason why CCP should make PLEX cheaper or something, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/94 "2019-06-19T11:01:06Z")
official CCP numbers : 2015 : average players 35k 2018 : average players 25k Yes the game is fine… ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/95 "2019-06-19T11:03:11Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > But you carebears and highseccers always need to make it about _your_ own needs and try to flip it into a reason why CCP should make PLEX cheaper or something, lol. You are talking about pvp right? You cannot even stand the fact that ccp recently does a slight and not even close to be enough shift to pve right? This is what this is all about? Really? Well this shift prevents even MORE players from leaving,it was a GOOD move,but as i said,not even close to be enough,more has to follow. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/96 "2019-06-19T11:05:13Z")
Indeed they do. The company who bought CCP has such a game. My supervisor told me about a game she plays in which she can freely engage other players. There are more limits in both of those games regarding PVP, but at high enough level, anything goes. I’m wondering if there’s a cultural difference involved regarding expectations of pvp free gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/97 "2019-06-19T11:05:53Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > So the change is the problem not the problem the game obviously has in todays market? > > So you say let eve alone,it’s good as it is,an update is only unconviniend and will disturb us in our cozy neck in the woods. > > We don’t care about the game we only care about OUR eve,the problems and whishes of others are not our concern. > > THIS is you… Yes, I would still rather play a traditional game of chess, as many Eve players still do. Your word is not representative of a majority here, thankfully. It’s only just your insignificant word. How casual and only passing (ie : insignificant) minority of players think that the game should change is not my concern until they actively seek to succeed in changing the game for a less complex and challenging one. At which point I can only tell them to go and find something more suited to play, like Battleship, instead of ruining it for the people already playing Chess the way it’s meant to be played. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/98 "2019-06-19T11:07:13Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > **It is that simple.** > > If enough people leave then CCP will be forced to take some action, whether that is drastically change the game Star Wars NGE style or close it down for good. Is that what you want? Have CCP to shut down this game? Because that’s what will happen by continuing to tell players to leave. Over the years that mantra has been constantly said and the log in numbers show it’s effect. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/99 "2019-06-19T11:07:29Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > Indeed they do. The company who bought CCP has such a game. My supervisor told me about a game she plays in which she can freely engage other players. There are more limits in both of those games regarding PVP, but at high enough level, anything goes. > I’m wondering if there’s a cultural difference involved regarding expectations of pvp free gameplay. Anarchy gamestyle is simply not wanted in todays market. Nowhere. This maybe was valid in the past but even than..games that had it simply vanished soon. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/100 "2019-06-19T11:10:41Z")
You really aren’t bothering to follow leads, are you? But then we all know how filtered you view of the world is. I still recall how Solstice totally triggered you on diversity. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/101 "2019-06-19T11:11:18Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Is that what you want? Have CCP to shut down this game? > > Because that’s what will happen by continuing to tell players to leave. Over the years that mantra has been constantly said and the log in numbers show it’s effect. Let it die then, if it’s become good for its own crowd, they shouldn’t deserve it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797.md?page=6)