# Will prices go up or down as more casual players leave? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 17, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797 "2019-06-17T12:51:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/102 "2019-06-19T11:12:41Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Is that what you want? Have CCP to shut down this game? > > Because that’s what will happen by continuing to tell players to leave. Over the years that mantra has been constantly said and the log in numbers show it’s effect. They don’t see it DeMichael Crimson. They simply see their playstyle loosing ground to more reasonable ones and they start to salt every post with their “this is the only way eve has to be played” posts. They don’t care about the game,just about their needs. Funny part is that this is exactly what i was blamed for in an above post… They don’t see their playstyle as part of eve’s problems,they see it as savoiur… ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/103 "2019-06-19T11:14:23Z")
> [@Erik\_Aihaken](#): > > Let it die then, if it’s become good for its own crowd, they shouldn’t deserve it. Right… You don’t care about the game,proven by own post… ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/104 "2019-06-19T11:15:34Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > You really aren’t bothering to follow leads, are you? > But then we all know how filtered you view of the world is. I still recall how Solstice totally triggered you on diversity. So the facts of todays mmog market are not your concern either? ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/106 "2019-06-19T11:25:54Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > You simply CANNOT project your likes on the game,declare “this is the way it has to be played” and furthermore declare all other playstyles irrelevant. > > It’s not his likes. It’s the way Eve was designed. It’s the selling point of Eve. > All the playstyles that don’t take into account this design are factually off-topic. They just are not applied to the game. > > Maybe but this has to change or the player drain will continue,doing nothing is exactly the wrong way. > > > Because i PAY for the game and HAVE to be protected from stuff i don’t want. > > NOPE. > Because you USE the game you have to understand how it is designed. > You don’t like the game design ? leave. You’ll find happiness in another game. > > You just don’t understand that the destruction of the ships is required to have a living economy. You just don’t understand that living economy is what makes Eve still be playable after such a long term, when most of the PVE only titles are down. > > IF YOU REMOVE ALL-PVP YOU KILL EVE. It’s that simple. > > Nobody wants to completely kill pvp,that’s exactly those “we only understand what we want to understand” behaviour pvp has for a decade now. > I only want high as a safe haven for PVE,pvp can have low and 0.0,a place you actually have to enter WILLINGLY and KNOWING what to expect,like in so many other games that have success with this approach. > > > i have THE RIGHT to do as i like and NO ONE has the right to hinder me doing that. > > No. Never had, will never had. You are not someone special. > Especially with those “entitled” lines. > Otherwise I have the RIGHT to do as I like and ask for a PVP game and NO ONE has the right to hinder me doing that. > > Well tll me why other gaqmes have success with exactly THIS. > You declare this impossible for even before it has even tried. > Who told you this? > Your crystal ball? > The fortune teller in your local subway? > I mean someone has to… > > > They don’t care about the game,just about their needs. > > YOU don’t. You don’t even bother to understand that game first ! > > “Understanding the game”? > Really? > This game is rather simple… > It goes down to “kill or be killed”…all other playstyles are subordinated to this simple PVP approach. > And this is part of the problem this game has,this approach to a mmog is outdated and simply not wanted anymore. Get used to this fact and stop censoring opionions you don’t like via abusing the flagging system. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/107 "2019-06-19T11:29:34Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > 2015 : average players 35k > 2018 : average players 25k I literally addressed the reason why this is the case: > [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > Nevermind the fact that many of the players from 4-5 years ago have: > > 1. probably done most of the stuff they’ve wanted to do in-game > 2. grown up, gotten jobs and families and now have less time for the game > 3. gotten bored of EVE and moved onto other games > > Factor that in with the fact that EVE isn’t really a mainstream game that appeals to the younger generation of kids (who would have more free time), it’s pretty easy to see why player counts are down. If you want to claim that this is because EVE has too much PvP or not enough PvE, let’s see some arguments. Let’s see anything other than your empty “lol eve is dying!” type of doom and gloom. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/108 "2019-06-19T11:30:39Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > If you want to claim that this is because EVE has too much PvP or not enough PvE, let’s see some arguments. Let’s see anything other than your empty “lol eve is dying!” type of doom and gloom. I gave you tons of arguments… If you don’t listen thats not my concern. And “lol eve is dying”? What is this? trying to devalue valid argumnets by taunting them ? This will not work. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/109 "2019-06-19T11:31:35Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > I gave you tons of arguments. No you didn’t. You think you gave a lot of arguments because you’re just posting a lot. But you’re just saying “there isn’t enough PvE in EVE!” and nothing more. You still haven’t even tried to draw the connection between PvE and playercounts. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/111 "2019-06-19T11:36:37Z")
So ignoring the MMOG market is actually a valid argument in your world? Why are players leaving? Because the devs don’t give them enough love? Don’t hug them enough? Or because the devs don’t do what they want? If we now take a look into other games that give players exactly what i’m talking about and have sucess with it the only reasonable conclusion you can draw is that i’m simply know what i’m talking about and this is EXACTLY what eve needs to do… You not liking it does not dissolve this fact into thin air. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/112 "2019-06-19T11:37:42Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > Why are players leaving? You don’t know. You can’t understand the game. How could you even understand what the gamers are thinking? > [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > If we now take a look into other games that give players exactly what i’m talking about and have sucess with it the only reasonable conclusion you can draw is that i’m simply know what i’m talking about and this is EXACTLY what eve needs to do. There is no other game that does what Eve has done. That’s why CCP is trying so many different things. It’s research and it takes time, and money, to perform. Yet one thing is clear : removing the PVP would kill Eve. and BTW correlation is not causation. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/113 "2019-06-19T11:40:24Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You don’t know. > > You can’t understand the game > > How could you even understand what the gamers are thinking? Well your only exit seems to be to ignore every of my argument and simply play the so well known record called “we need no change” over and over again because you simply have no other arguments than insults against me. This is sad because it shows clearly you don’t care about the game your only concern is that nothing changes because it would be unconviniend for you. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/115 "2019-06-19T11:42:39Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Yet one thing is clear : removing the PVP would kill Eve. And again this BS “argument” So again and until even YOU get it: I DONT WANT TO KILL PVP IN EVE. Just give pve a safe haven in high. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/116 "2019-06-19T11:43:23Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > So again and until even YOU get it: I DONT WANT TO KILL PVP IN EVE. > > Just give pvp a safe haven in high. That is killing PVP in Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/117 "2019-06-19T11:44:57Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Is that what you want? Have CCP to shut down this game? No it isn’t, because I still enjoy Eve after all this time. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Because that’s what will happen by continuing to tell players to leave This is the **only** way CCP will do anything to change the game in a major way. They have to see their income nose dive only then will they do something about it. But mostly I just want Balos / Hysan to leave because I am sick of him constantly bashing the game I love and hijacking every thread on these forums. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/118 "2019-06-19T11:45:02Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > That is killing PVP in Eve. So tell me who is your fortune teller? He must be good knowing that before it even has been tried. Eve will adapt to this…it always has…this is in no way different than warp to null or things like that(which was the last “eve killer”) PVP will simply adapt… ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/119 "2019-06-19T11:48:29Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > PVP will simply adapt… Perhaps it’s YOU who should adapt, rather than expecting thousands of other players to do so because you feel hard done by… ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/120 "2019-06-19T11:49:11Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > So tell me who is your fortune teller? Fortune teller ? This is the definition of Eve. PvP in Eve is “when you undock” . If you change that, you kill the definition of PvP in Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/121 "2019-06-19T11:58:14Z")
Now flagging every of my post as “inappropiate” because you have no arguments left? 13 'til now… How sweet that is… And how stupid… You are simply devaluing yourself… ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/122 "2019-06-19T12:01:58Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > Perhaps it’s YOU who should adapt, I agree. It’s weird seeing him demand everyone else, PvPers, even the rest of EVE to adapt, but he refuses to take responsibility for changing his own approach. This isn’t even a productive discussion since it’s clear the guy is completely set in making sure everyone else changes to suit his personal needs. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 12:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/123 "2019-06-19T12:03:24Z")
There’s a long list of characters who constantly derail threads by bashing the game and it’s players, quite a few of them are posting in this thread. The best reply to them is done with the flag option. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/124 "2019-06-19T12:09:54Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > > > So again and until even YOU get it: I DONT WANT TO KILL PVP IN EVE. > > > > Just give pvp a safe haven in high. > > That is killing PVP in Eve. No, that’s killing suicide ganking, it’s not killing PvP in Eve. High Sec space is small area compared to the rest of New Eden. If players say they can’t find any PvP action in Low, Null or W-Hole space then they’re not looking. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797.md?page=7)