# Will prices go up or down as more casual players leave? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 17, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797 "2019-06-17T12:51:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/166 "2019-06-21T05:19:06Z")
You mined, in highsec, for 16 hours a day? ---
**Author:** ![M\_Cincinnatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m_cincinnatus/32/258279_2.png) [@M\_Cincinnatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M_Cincinnatus)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/167 "2019-06-21T05:21:53Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > > > They don’t realize that, even if you tell them. They don’t have the mental capacity to reason like that. Even if PvP was completely banned they would not “get” it, but just lose interest and abandon the game because it has become pointless and they don’t know why. > > > > And then they are off to the next game they don’t like but seems still interesting to demand the same shite and repeat the cycle. I have seen this multiple times now, it’s like a ■■■■■■■ plague and game developers have not developed an imunity or even awareness of it. > > > > EVE has resisted a long time, but not so any longer. > > right we don’t get why someone should be able to FORCE his gamestyle onto others…a gamestyle we not like or have paid for…give us a pvp free high and everything is ok…but having NO safe haven as non pvp player is simply wrong… If you are not trolling and are a high sec player, you don’t get it, cause likely you have never honestly asked yourself why you are here in EVE, instead of another space game that contains completely safe PvE. I could direct you to a very expansive multiplayer space game, and even an indy single player space game that has PvE that is even better than EVE’s. But I could wager you would be back here sooner or later, either consciously or sub-consciously, and you wouldn’t even know why, until you honestly reflect on why are you here? ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/168 "2019-06-21T06:36:44Z")
CowQueen MMXII You really think faking and reworking of official statistics will help anybody? I see numbers around 20k in the launcher 18 hours a day,7 days a week so your statistic suggests that there must be 40k at us primetime? Well then it is a fraud… You do not help anybody with those wrong numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hysan_tyrosur/32/140607_2.png) [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hysan_Tyrosur)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/169 "2019-06-21T06:39:47Z")
> [@M\_Cincinnatus](#): > > I could direct you to a very expansive multiplayer space game, and even an indy single player space game that has PvE that is even better than EVE’s. But I could wager you would be back here sooner or later, either consciously or sub-consciously, and you wouldn’t even know why, until you honestly reflect on why are you here? I’m here for pve and pve only…no caveman style clubbing on the head,no stupidly defending the favoring of this ■■■■ and NOBODY,i repeat NOBODY should be able to force me into PVP. Being able to do that is simply primitive and not wanted in a modern game. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/170 "2019-06-21T07:05:52Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > NOBODY,i repeat NOBODY should be able to force me into PVP. That’s a pretty entitled attitude given that you’re a valid target for anyone to shoot at as soon as you undock in EVE Online. > [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > Being able to do that is simply primitive and not wanted in a modern game. You must be new here. EVE isn’t a “modern game”. It was released back in May of 2003, so it’s about 16 years old. However, the core idea that EVE is a harsh and dangerous universe has not changed since then. It’s simply primitive to come into a game and community 16 years in the making and start pouting and throwing tantrums about how people can ‘force’ you to PvP. Especially since it’s one of the core elements that make EVE Online what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Sordina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sordina/32/148069_2.png) [@Sordina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sordina)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 7:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/171 "2019-06-21T07:23:46Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > and NOBODY,i repeat NOBODY should be able to force me into PVP. Did you bought something in EVE market? If yeas I must disappoint you. This was PvP action. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/172 "2019-06-21T07:41:21Z")
> [@M\_Cincinnatus](#): > > But I could wager you would be back here sooner or later, either consciously or sub-consciously, and you wouldn’t even know why, until you honestly reflect on why are you here? Do you know the definition of insanity ? ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 7:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/173 "2019-06-21T07:47:03Z")
> [@Erik\_Aihaken](#): > > Do you know the definition of insanity ? Yes I do. And it’s not the one you are thinking of. You know the definition of moron? It’s someone who defines insanity with that quote falsely attributed to Einstein. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/174 "2019-06-21T08:04:53Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Yes I do. And it’s not the one you are thinking of. > > You know the definition of moron? It’s someone who defines insanity with that quote falsely attributed to Einstein. I wasn’t even talking to you. Moron. Also, Vas. And nice flamebait. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/7/97a6ecdb7489649a0b30135053392293be2fc008.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/175 "2019-06-21T09:28:11Z")
> [@Sordina](#): > > > [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > > > and NOBODY,i repeat NOBODY should be able to force me into PVP. > > Did you bought something in EVE market? If yeas I must disappoint you. This was PvP action. Only in EVE crypto-speech. In the rest of the MMO gaming world., where trading works the same way it does in EVE, trading is PvE, and “PvP” without any qualification to change its meaning means “PvP combat”. Hysan You’re presenting your request/suggestion too forcefully. EVE was designed to be (almost) entirely without “PvP-off” zones. The only exceptions (AFAIK) are some small beginner areas. So the phrase quoted above isn’t correct as written. You’re not alone in wanting such a zone, but IMO you need to sell CCP (and other players) on a new “PvP-off” zone. Or changes to highSec - but IMO it would be better to get anew “PvP combat off” zone and let highSec die. ---
**Author:** ![Sordina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sordina/32/148069_2.png) [@Sordina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sordina)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/176 "2019-06-21T09:47:30Z")
> [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > Only in EVE crypto-speech. In the rest of the MMO gaming world., where trading works the same way it does in EVE, trading is PvE, and “PvP” without any qualification to change its meaning means “PvP combat”. Google definition of PvP. And I really don’t care what names give to trading other games. Market in EVE is player versus other player. Maybe you will understand that when you will start fighting with competition. Also, saying that combat PvP is only right way to PvP is extremely stupid. But this is what happen when people don’t understand words they use. ---
**Author:** ![Elena\_Laskova](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elena_laskova/32/11436_2.png) [@Elena\_Laskova](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elena_Laskova)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/177 "2019-06-21T10:15:15Z")
> [@Sordina](#): > > **Also, saying that combat PvP is only right way to PvP** is extremely stupid. But this is what happen when people don’t understand words they use. Fortunately for the future of this discussion, you’re the only one who said that (bold text in the quote). You could recover from your mistake by explaining _ **why** _ EVE crypto-speech uses that unique definition of “PVP”. I’ve never understood why any experienced EVE player would feel the need to redefine the meaning of “PvP”. ---
**Author:** ![Sordina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sordina/32/148069_2.png) [@Sordina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sordina)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/178 "2019-06-21T10:22:37Z")
> [@](#): > > PvP can be broadly used to describe any game, or aspect of a game, where players compete against each other. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player\_versus\_player](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player) > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > Fortunately for the future of this discussion, you’re the only one who said that Unfortunately you are the only one who is saying otherwise > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > I’ve never understood why any experienced EVE player would feel the need to redefine the meaning of “PvP”. PvP ≠ Combat. See link in top of this reply Now go and try to force people to look at things your wrong way somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/179 "2019-06-21T10:27:05Z")
> [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > Being able to do that is simply primitive and not wanted in a modern game. So tell me, what games do you play? > [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > no caveman style clubbing on the head Don’t you think that’s maligning cavemen? ---
**Author:** ![CowQueen\_MMXII](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cowqueen_mmxii/32/446332_2.png) [@CowQueen\_MMXII](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CowQueen_MMXII)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/180 "2019-06-21T11:01:05Z")
> About EVE-Offline > EVE-Offline continously monitors the various game-server of the [EVE-Online](https://www.eveonline.com/) universe collecting player statistics and server information from our much beloved MMORPG/FPS. from [https://eve-offline.net/](https://eve-offline.net/) > Copyright © 2006-2019, Chribba - [OMG Labs](http://omg.la/bs/) I didn’t fake anything. I just posted some pictures generated from this website from Chribba where he just displays data about users online taken from the Eve API. Everybody that goes to this website will come to the same results. Now, you can start argue that Chribba is falsifying data or at the very least misrepresenting it in the graphs or you can blame CCP for publishing incorrect user numbers through the API. Good luck with that. By the way, what ist your official source for your numbers? You seem to have forgotten to mention it. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/181 "2019-06-21T11:39:44Z")
> [@Sordina](#): > > > [@Hysan\_Tyrosur](#): > > > > and NOBODY,i repeat NOBODY should be able to force me into PVP. > > Did you bought something in EVE market? If yeas I must disappoint you. This was PvP action. What a lame example, especially if the item is sold to or bought from NPC’s. EDIT: Happy Cake Day \o/ ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/182 "2019-06-21T11:43:26Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Seriously, what would be the point of logging in without PvP? None… which is why so many are quitting lol ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/183 "2019-06-21T12:43:00Z")
I was once killed in Stormwind, so I quit WoW and thats why it closed down and no one even remembers it now. Oh wait. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/184 "2019-06-21T13:18:58Z")
XD … ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/will-prices-go-up-or-down-as-more-casual-players-leave/167797/186 "2019-06-21T13:23:00Z")
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