# wineHQ and dx11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Linux\ **Created:** [April 23, 2018, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566 "2018-04-23T08:35:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Boyamin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/boyamin/32/278967_2.png) [@Boyamin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Boyamin)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/21 "2018-05-05T07:20:34Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Reinstalling the Nvidia driver 396.18.05 to provide the 32-bit Vulkan library now that MESA support has been installed. How are you getting a later version of the nvidia-driver on debian buster ? Are you installing it manually ? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2018, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/22 "2018-05-05T07:43:25Z")
> [@Boyamin](#): > > How are you getting a later version of the nvidia-driver on debian buster ? Are you installing it manually ? Yes, I do. But DXVK is said to work with slighter older drivers, too. I think 390.xx should also work. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2018, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/23 "2018-05-08T10:30:15Z")
I’ve tested the PBA patches now and the game works despite the author claiming his patches would be in an alpha state and with various flawed assumptions. The PBA patches use the “d3d\_perf” debug channel, which confirmed these were indeed working. But there was no major performance gain to be found. With AA on and inside the station did the framerate stay the same, only on the outside and only with AA turned off did it spike a bit more than usual (DX9 - 150fps vs 160fps with PBA patches). Interesting stuff, but probably best to wait until its final and is pulled into WINE. ---
**Author:** ![Anonymous\_BTard\_Saurkraut](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anonymous_btard_saurkraut/32/72848_2.png) [@Anonymous\_BTard\_Saurkraut](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anonymous_BTard_Saurkraut)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/24 "2018-05-15T08:35:47Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Boyamin](#): > > > > How are you getting a later version of the nvidia-driver on debian buster ? Are you installing it manually ? > > Yes, I do. But DXVK is said to work with slighter older drivers, too. I think 390.xx should also work. You are correct that DXVK works with version 390.xx, however it is now officially unsupported. Driver version 396 has a new shader compiler that DXVK uses, and it significantly decreases shader compilation times and memory consumption > **[Driver support](https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk/wiki/Driver-support)** > > Vulkan-based implementation of D3D9, D3D10 and D3D11 for Linux / Wine - doitsujin/dxvk [NVIDIA 396.18 Linux Driver Reaches Beta With New Vulkan SPIR-V Compiler - Phoronix](https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-396.18-Beta-Released). ---
**Author:** ![Ravow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ravow/32/208242_2.png) [@Ravow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ravow)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/25 "2018-05-25T16:00:33Z")
DXVK work really well now. My overclocked RX480 (3840x2160, AA OFF) do 100 fps inside station and 150ish fps in space. So In the event that CCP ditch DX9, we have a good backup plan for both main card vendor 🙂 With nine I get \> 250fps in space with spike to 300. But that DXVK is way better than the default wine D3D11-\>OpenGL that lower the fps in the 50’s. Note, there is also a new way to compile shaders with vulkan using the latest Mesa git, and a specific envar, I did not test it yet. ---
**Author:** ![Forlorn\_Wongraven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forlorn_wongraven/32/374379_2.png) [@Forlorn\_Wongraven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forlorn_Wongraven)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/26 "2018-05-26T12:25:35Z")
I am getting a black background with Wine 3.8 and DXVK on a RX470. But I am stuck on Mesa 17.3.6 for now, which could be the reason. ---
**Author:** ![Ravow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ravow/32/208242_2.png) [@Ravow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ravow)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/27 "2018-05-26T15:52:50Z")
Did you check that your Vulkan are properly working, You also have to have the Vulkan ICD installed and configured. ---
**Author:** ![Forlorn\_Wongraven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forlorn_wongraven/32/374379_2.png) [@Forlorn\_Wongraven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forlorn_Wongraven)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/28 "2018-05-26T22:56:03Z")
When I try to rune “wine cube.exe” I get an error message about missing ID. ---
**Author:** ![Gharim\_Turen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gharim_turen/32/249062_2.png) [@Gharim\_Turen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gharim_Turen)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2018, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/29 "2018-05-27T09:15:03Z")
> [@Forlorn\_Wongraven](#): > > When I try to rune “wine cube.exe” I get an error message about missing ID. There is some missunderstanding from your side, how DXVK works. You don’t need to install inside from wine some vulkan related stuff, DXVK uses the vulkan implementation from linux, its a ‘wrapper’ to the linux-vulkan stuff. Just try cube or cube32 from terminal. Search in your package manager something like khronos or vulkan development there should be cube as demo lay inside. ---
**Author:** ![Forlorn\_Wongraven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forlorn_wongraven/32/374379_2.png) [@Forlorn\_Wongraven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forlorn_Wongraven)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2018, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/30 "2018-05-27T11:59:45Z")
Ah. That works. EVE still hangs but looking at the issues on github several games still have a similar behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2018, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/31 "2018-05-28T10:08:33Z")
**The hangs with Nvidia seem to have something to do with the OpenGL setting “Allow Flipping”. When this is turned off does it no longer hang.** So that’s a good step forward. Some issues remain, but now it’s playable with DX11 and on a pretty decent level. Issues I’ve seen so far: - VSync settings such as Interval Two to Four still only produce 60fps instead of the 30fps, 20fps and 15fps. _Update: this has now been addressed with a patch and should become part of the next release._ - The speed meter and the ring around it flicker. - The HUD of the 1st person camera is broken and flickers. This was with all settings set to High, WINE 3.9 + Nvidia 396.24.02 (GTX960) + DXVK 0.53. A note on the Vulkan SDK for Windows. Installing it lets one test WINE’s Vulkan implementation. This is useful to test if the “WINE Vulkan to Linux Vulkan” mapping is working correctly and to exclude any issues with it. DXVK uses WINE’s Vulkan API to implement DirectX. It does not directly use Linux’s Vulkan API. Instead and as a result of this can DXVK run under WINE as well as under Windows itself, where it also translates DX11 to Vulkan. It’s not actually needed for Windows and more of a proof of concept. The Vulkan SDK for Windows when installed under WINE helps to debug DXVK and allows one to enable a verification layer: ```nohighlight export VK_INSTANCE_LAYERS=VK_LAYER_LUNARG_standard_validation ``` This will dump out a lot of information of what’s going on in Vulkan. The CPU usage (over 8 cores) has gone down quite a bit with DXVK for me. With DX9 over OpenGL at 60fps did it use about 40% of the CPU. With DX11 over Vulkan has it gone down to 15% at 60fps. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/32 "2018-05-28T13:03:33Z")
> [@Gharim\_Turen](#): > > There is some missunderstanding from your side, how DXVK works. You don’t need to install inside from wine some vulkan related stuff, DXVK uses the vulkan implementation from linux, its a ‘wrapper’ to the linux-vulkan stuff. Just try cube or cube32 from terminal. Search in your package manager something like khronos or vulkan development there should be cube as demo lay inside. DXVK uses the Windows API for Vulkan. Using the Linux version of the Vulkan SDK helps to test Vulkan directly on Linux. So this is something one can do, too, in an attempt to detect and fix issues. One needs to have: - The Vulkan API on Linux supported through the graphics driver. - WINE with builtin support for the Vulkan API on Windows, which not all versions of WINE have enabled and may require one to get WINE directly from WineHQ or to compile it oneself. - DXVK The Vulkan SDK is useful for debugging and for testing basic functionality of the layers involved here. The Vulkan SDK for Windows when installed under WINE lets one test and debug DXVK. The Vulkan SDK for Linux lets one test the availability of the Vulkan API on Linux. This only for a clarification. On another note, the Vulkan API in WINE only supports Vulkan version 1.0. Version 1.1 has seen a change in the license to Vulkan, which made version 1.1 incompatible to WINE’s license. This legal issue has been resolved recently however: > **[Vulkan Adds An Exception To Address Wine's Code License Incompatibility](https://www.phoronix.com/news/Vulkan-Wine-License-Exception)** So we should soon be seeing version 1.1 getting implemented in WINE and one can expect DXVK to then make use of the newer Vulkan version at a later time. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/33 "2018-07-13T08:09:08Z")
The latest Nvidia driver 396.24.10 (Vulkan beta) fixes the hanging issue and DXVK works now more reliably. Download link: [https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-3962410](https://developer.nvidia.com/linux-3962410) > **[Vulkan Driver Support](https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver)** > > This page provides links to both general release drivers that support Vulkan and developer beta drivers that support upcoming Vulkan features. Release Driver Downloads Full Vulkan 1.1 support is available for Windows and Linux in our general release... ---
**Author:** ![Gharim\_Turen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gharim_turen/32/249062_2.png) [@Gharim\_Turen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gharim_Turen)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/34 "2018-07-13T11:27:43Z")
Just 396.24.10 installed works flawless with or without composite manager. The only thing which i have seen is, that EVE reset my antialiasing settings to disabled every start. Used DXVK was a own build from version 0.61. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/35 "2018-07-19T21:32:42Z")
And Nvidia 296.45 is out, too, and supposedly has the same fixes regarding Vulkan plus some more. The wonderful joys of a new driver! 😸 [README](https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1037689) / [Download](http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/136233/en-us) ---
**Author:** ![Gharim\_Turen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gharim_turen/32/249062_2.png) [@Gharim\_Turen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gharim_Turen)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/36 "2018-07-19T21:38:13Z")
Did you have tested the LTS Driver 390.77 by the way? He should have the same fixes too. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/37 "2018-07-19T21:39:09Z")
> [@Gharim\_Turen](#): > > Did you have tested the LTS Driver 390.77 by the way? He should have the same fixes too. No, I haven’t. ---
**Author:** ![Gharim\_Turen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gharim_turen/32/249062_2.png) [@Gharim\_Turen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gharim_Turen)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/38 "2018-07-19T21:42:10Z")
Maybe you have a look by [Phoronix](https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-390.77-Linux-Driver) ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/39 "2018-07-19T21:43:42Z")
> [@Gharim\_Turen](#): > > Maybe you have a look by [Phoronix](https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-390.77-Linux-Driver) Oh, I’m fine with 296.24.10 and the newer drivers. I’m just happy to share the update. Do you still rely on the older driver? ---
**Author:** ![Gharim\_Turen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gharim_turen/32/249062_2.png) [@Gharim\_Turen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gharim_Turen)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2018, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566/40 "2018-07-19T21:45:34Z")
No, but it maybe easier to build .deb packages from the LTS driver instead of the 396.24.10. Using atm 396.24.10 too 🙂 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/winehq-and-dx11/71566.md?page=3)