# With out ganking, high sec would just be boring **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [December 23, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268 "2022-12-23T15:16:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![F3ND1MUS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/f3nd1mus/32/377706_2.png) [@F3ND1MUS](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/F3ND1MUS)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/454 "2023-07-22T01:03:24Z")
Ganking should be allowed to happen more ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/455 "2023-07-22T03:56:19Z")
It’s a lot harder to resist the urge to gank in HS than not so there’s that… / btw @Zaera_Keena just checked, there’s no Karen cause _we_ do not complain about ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Galacticon\_Drakonianc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galacticon_drakonianc/32/379412_2.png) [@Galacticon\_Drakonianc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galacticon_Drakonianc)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2023, 5:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/456 "2023-07-22T05:08:46Z")
Ganking has never been a problem, it’s a pretend issue. People who are actually butthurt about this should not play the game. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2023, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/457 "2023-07-24T08:25:10Z")
> [@Captain\_BeerMonster](#): > > I am discussing mechanics that were previously available to new and veteran players, regardless of their status being omega or alpha. Jumpdrives have always been available to Omegas. The Alpha paywall places them out of reach of those players (i.e. Alphas). How is that “word salad”? Methinks you are just getting pissy because you were wrong in your hypothesis. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2023, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/458 "2023-07-25T20:53:39Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > True, but then it is equally true that people who are not paying for the game should not get all the perks of the game. Alpha is supposed to be a free ‘trial’ period…not some exploit for free ganking of people who _are_ paying for the game. I agree with the arguments that @Captain_BeerMonster wrote. However, it is equally true that there were abuses. Not biomassing, that was forbidden and could result into ban. But I have no idea how “guarded” that was by GMs. I biomassed some of my alpha gank toons, but they weren’t -10 or they were few years old (so I could have argue I had legitimate reason for it, like changing name, not to save few ISK on tags) and GMs didn’t punished me for it. The abuses came from a fact that you can create an unlimited number of (alpha) accounts. It is inconvenient and requires a lot of time to do this (one could argue the time required to put this into motion is not worth just tagging or farming the character up). So essentially that was the way to circumvent the prohibition of biomassing and replacing (alpha but there are usages of biomassing omega too) gank toons. Another abuse was the fact that thanks to multiple alpha accounts you could circumveint the 15 minutes criminal timer and I did that during the empire events to great extent - I was able to gank practically nonstop with 3 alpha -10 characters that I rotated over and over until I ran out of the ships. Yes you can do the same with 3 omega accounts, that is for sure, but those at least paid for it. On the other hand, @New_Order_Enforcer has a point too. If the reason for the nerf was because alpha toons/accounts could be unintentially abused by biomassing them or creating new over and over to get rid of “consequences”, then this nerf didn’t really fix the issue, only moved it slightly, Sure perhaps there is not that big need to do it in lowsec, but it can be done and those consequences can be shaken off. In my opinion the nerf came only to cater to the gank-gater crowd so that the wolf ate and the goat remained whole. I highly doubt that CPP earned more money with this restriction. I think this alpha issue could have been solved by other means. But that would require effort on CCP side… ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2023, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/459 "2023-07-26T18:22:11Z")
Hey i was saying that about all the clones ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/460 "2023-07-27T12:25:51Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > > [@linkwire](#): > > > > Gankers in HiSec are lazy PvP’ers who can’t make it in no security realms > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/3/0/5309e596decf7df807bd1b1071c47e9601bd4797.gif) > > Delicious tears. No Truer words have ever been said. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/461 "2023-07-27T12:38:43Z")
I think that player was wrong too, many of the gankers at least in the past were also operating in nullsec. That being said it is a highly efficient and effective way of ISK farming with multiple accounts if you can push yourself to do it. The effort to get a mass of accounts, setup your system and hone your ability to do this does take a lot of work and effort, there is no denying that. But once you get it down pap, it is easy. In that sense it is no different from people who mine in multi-account blobs, which was why one of the freighter gankers was running a massed Orca fleet mining ice. NB. just to be clear I was talking about any ganking that required several accounts to pull off. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2023, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/462 "2023-07-27T21:36:30Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > The effort to get a mass of accounts I had been reviewing the Hawk on zkill and just wonter what is their CPS, ie _Click speed in 60 second._ / ![CPS-Test](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/6/e/a6e68e0fb009e94f90cd8f103ba79378872b7bff.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![F3ND1MUS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/f3nd1mus/32/377706_2.png) [@F3ND1MUS](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/F3ND1MUS)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2023, 4:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/463 "2023-07-28T04:22:40Z")
have you ganked anyone today? Do your part ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/464 "2023-07-30T11:43:11Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > I biomassed some of my alpha gank toons, but they weren’t -10 or they were few years old (so I could have argue I had legitimate reason for it, like changing name, not to save few ISK on tags) and GMs didn’t punished me for it. Same here…I have biomassed one very low SP alpha entirely in order to create my new omega with a name I just had to have. She’ll be bursting onto the scene fairly soon, and living up to her name. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/465 "2023-07-30T12:50:48Z")
I mean, they are not allowing you to change name. Fine, but then if you want a toon with certain name on a different account then you have biomass the old one, and that old one might be alpha and have -10 security status so you would be breaking the unwritten rule… Pretty stupid don’t you think? And the rule wasn’t dropped just because of the alpha clone red safety nerf. The potential of abusing the biomassing to get rid of security status didn’t disappear with the nerf so… ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2023, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/466 "2023-07-30T14:17:31Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > if you want a toon with certain name on a different account then you have biomass You can character transfer too. 😛 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/467 "2023-08-07T13:01:02Z")
> [@F3ND1MUS](#): > > have you ganked anyone today? Do your part It took a few days to complete though there were a bunch of Mobile Depots cluttering up my home System so Frostpacker took care of that! ---
**Author:** ![linkwire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/linkwire/32/407584_2.png) [@linkwire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/linkwire)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/468 "2023-08-24T01:45:28Z")
You can do that in HiSec under a wardec including attacking mining and transport. There are multiple levels for PVP null, wormhole, lowsec… but only one for police protection. PvP’ers are not restricted by the limits of HiSec except except attacking players who are not interested in PvP. HiSec miners also go into these PvP levels for mining, industry, and PvP\PvE and accept the risk the PvP enviornment. What they don’t do is attack people in HiSec because they accept it should only be NPC attackers or wardec. The world of Eve is designed to handle multiple player types that are PvP focused, but they should support players that just want to focus on HiSec mining and industry. The limitations for HiSec are pretty restrictive with limited ore\gas and no Reactions. If you want to pretend to be a PvP’er in HiSec join in tournaments or duels they exist for those who are limited in gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/469 "2023-08-24T06:47:00Z")
> [@linkwire](#): > > they accept it should only be NPC attackers or wardec. That’s just, like, your opinion, man. Also it’s a bad opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/470 "2023-08-24T12:18:12Z")
> [@linkwire](#): > > just want to focus on HiSec mining and industry. **EVE Singularity** **ELite Undangerous** (Solo Player mode) … ---
**Author:** ![Apo\_Bong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/apo_bong/32/512751_2.png) [@Apo\_Bong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Apo_Bong)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2023, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/471 "2023-08-24T20:06:58Z")
dude with an alt trying to tell people what pvp is zzz so you want highsec strictly pve only? can you think about the consquences of that beyond ‘i don’t wanna be griefed plx!!11’ ?? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/472 "2023-08-25T03:31:50Z")
It sure feels like pve when travelling through your staging systems. How come you don’t wave back when I”m passing through. Waving to others is considered interaction and that means pvp ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2023, 3:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/with-out-ganking-high-sec-would-just-be-boring/389268/473 "2023-08-25T03:45:07Z")
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