# WOW! Just....WOW! **URL:** \ **Category:** New Citizens Q&A\ **Created:** [May 22, 2019, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355 "2019-05-22T22:50:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Kaivarian\_Coste](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaivarian_coste/32/413759_2.png) [@Kaivarian\_Coste](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaivarian_Coste)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2019, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/102 "2019-05-25T07:21:03Z")
Damn. Sorry for your loss. When I first started out way back in 2008, I lost 1b in a high-sec gank. I was still new, but made lots of ISK just trading between hubs in my Iteron. I was alpha’d by a single Typhoon, if I remember correctly. I rage-quit for a week, and tried other MMOs like Runescape. But the lure of danger never felt the same and I came back to Eve. Hope you don’t take the loss too hard. Eve rewards perseverance (and creativity). ---
**Author:** ![Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muriel_en_daire/32/150061_2.png) [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muriel_en_Daire)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2019, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/103 "2019-05-25T12:44:00Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > The shame is in making the same mistake again and again, or possibly, complaining that the rules should be changed and rewritten in your favour because it was possible for you to lose, or even accusing your opponent of cheating because you lost and you can’t, or won’t try to understand why. > > And that last one is a pretty scrub thing to do. Where have I said the rules should be changed in my favor? And the “bot” button is there for a reason. It’s up to CCP to decide whether it is warranted or not. If the man is clean, then no worries on his part…right? Besides, what he does on the video may not be necessarily what he does when off camera. ---
**Author:** ![Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muriel_en_daire/32/150061_2.png) [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muriel_en_Daire)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2019, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/104 "2019-05-25T12:47:29Z")
The current MMO market is in awful state. I was never really into WOW. The improvements that CCP have made to EVE have made me stay longer and longer. This is probably the longest I have stuck it out. I want the game to be playable based on in-game information and mechanics. I dont want to rely on outside websites for information on business transactions, dangerous areas, current kills and such. If the makers of those sites can access the data needed for such information, then surely CCP could implement the same internally. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2019, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/105 "2019-05-25T13:06:05Z")
> [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](#): > > Where have I said the rules should be changed in my favor? You started a whole thread asking for that: > [@Give haulers an edge...some thoughts](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/give-haulers-an-edge-some-thoughts/161486/1): > > Blockade Runners need a boost aside from tank considering they offer no offensive capabilities. At the very least have them immune to warp scramble. If a pirate gang wants your goods, let them earn it by trying to pop you before you warp off. Now THAT is game play and puts the ball in their court. > [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](#): > > And the “bot” button is there for a reason. It’s up to CCP to decide whether it is warranted or not. If the man is clean, then no worries on his part…right? Indeed. File your petition and ask CCP to double-check things if it gives you piece of mind. I’m sure the Kusion family is one of the most petitioned players in the game, to the point there probably is a filter filters tickets with his name and provides the “suicide ganking is an intended mechanic” form letter directly to the GM who gets the ticket to reply with. That’s fine. The scrubby part is loudly accusing a fellow player of cheating because you lost an imaginary space ship in a video game. ---
**Author:** ![Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muriel_en_daire/32/150061_2.png) [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muriel_en_Daire)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/106 "2019-05-25T13:08:15Z")
So the Features and Ideas Section is just there for show? I cant input any ideas without it going by your first? ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2019, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/107 "2019-05-25T13:32:58Z")
That subsection is there for players to share and discuss ideas to improve the game. It’s not there for players to post self-interested suggestions to tilt the game in their favour immediately after they suffer an in-game loss. It’s fine. Such butthurt-motivated posts are transparent to everyone, including CCP. They aren’t at all productive to develop the game, but I guess on the bright side they do force discussion of why the game works the way it does which could help newer players. Well, the forum software is reminding me to stop bickering with you. So I will. ---
**Author:** ![Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muriel_en_daire/32/150061_2.png) [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muriel_en_Daire)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2019, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/108 "2019-05-25T13:41:26Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > That subsection is there for players to share and discuss ideas to improve the game. It’s not there for players to post self-interested suggestions to tilt the game on their favour immediately after they suffer an in-game loss. > > It’s fine. Such butthurt-motivated posts are transparent to everyone, including CCP. They aren’t at all productive to develop the game, but I guess on the bright side they do force discussion of why the game works the way it does which could help newer players. > > Well, the forum software is reminding me to stop bickering with you. So I will. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/e/2ee4d44be9861a88c4aa3b59752e1f90052aad10.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Scarlett\_LaBlanc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlett_lablanc/32/358434_2.png) [@Scarlett\_LaBlanc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlett_LaBlanc)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 2:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/109 "2019-05-26T02:33:25Z")
> [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](#): > > I dont want to rely on outside websites for information on business transactions, dangerous areas, current kills and such. This how Eve has been forever… When I started in '08 there was the heavy reliance on out of game tools firmly in place. This is just how Eve is. I can not image it changing now. Thats not to say that CCP does not bring popular third party tools into game. I know it’s happened before, but I cant think of an example off the top of my head. Players with talent are going to see needs and create tools to fill them faster than CCP is going to. Just the way it is. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 4:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/110 "2019-05-26T04:29:39Z")
> [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](#): > > Me versus a one man 18 ship gank in high sec is a mistake? Im sure you would have been able to survive it…right? I could understand you would ask those questions in your first post if this is all new to you, but the fact that you’re still asking them after 70+ posts in this thread and all the info you’ve been given, clearly shows you’re more interested in whining than in learning how you could have avoided being caught. Not saying you’re not interested in the latter _too_, just that it’s clearly not what you’re _most_ interested in. > [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](#): > > I have at no point said I was a victim nor presented myself in said manner. What I quoted above from a previous post (and similar comments in other posts I won’t bother to look up and quote) proves otherwise, which makes me wonder… Is it that you’re not even aware of what you’re saying, or is it that the concept of presenting yourself as a victim means to you something different than it means to most of us? ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/111 "2019-05-26T07:51:40Z")
> [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](#): > > Besides, what he does on the video may not be necessarily what he does when off camera. Why on earth would he use a botting program and risk getting everything banned, when he’s already PROVED he can do it perfectly legitimately ? Excuse me, your butthurt is showing… ---
**Author:** ![Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muriel_en_daire/32/150061_2.png) [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muriel_en_Daire)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/112 "2019-05-26T08:40:09Z")
> [@Scarlett\_LaBlanc](#): > > but I cant think of an example off the top of my head. EFT comes to mind. ![1490](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/e/1e0b0911048a411c0b6368eb0afbf09ca7cec87b.jpeg) You would think that is a no-brainer but how long did it take CCP to implement a fitting simulator in game? > Players with talent are going to see needs and create tools to fill them faster than CCP is going to. Just the way it is. Because CCP is/was poorly managed. The Captain’s Quarters debacle is an example. Wasted time and resources on World Of Darkness which never came about and lets not forget about the now defunct Dust514. Instead of gimmicks to make a quick buck, focus on your baby that started it all…EVE Online. Third party tools are but examples of what is missing in the game. Take note, EVE designers. I refuse to accept the “that’s just the way it is” reasoning. It’s ineptitude at its finest. ---
**Author:** ![Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muriel_en_daire/32/150061_2.png) [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muriel_en_Daire)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/113 "2019-05-26T08:41:52Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > What I quoted above from a previous post (and similar comments in other posts I won’t bother to look up and quote) proves otherwise, which makes me wonder… Is it that you’re not even aware of what you’re saying, or is it that the concept of presenting yourself as a victim means to you something different than it means to most of us? I answer each post individually. So if 100 people say the same thing, I will repeat myself 100 times. It’s not whining, it’s answering each each post as they come. ---
**Author:** ![Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muriel_en_daire/32/150061_2.png) [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muriel_en_Daire)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/114 "2019-05-26T08:45:14Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > Why on earth would he use a botting program and risk getting everything banned, when he’s already PROVED he can do it perfectly legitimately ? > > Excuse me, your butthurt is showing… Why on earth continue to do something the hard way off camera when you have already set up your alibi for the world to see via video? Excuse me, your naiveté is showing… ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/115 "2019-05-26T09:42:42Z")
> [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](#): > > Excuse me, your naiveté is showing… I think at this point it’s clear that the OP is only looking to complain and whine instead of improving himself and getting better at the game. I don’t think anyone is going to be able to convince him otherwise since he seems so deadset on just whining. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/116 "2019-05-26T10:22:40Z")
Agreed, it’s a shame. There was some sign of hope, but now we just have another troll. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/117 "2019-05-26T11:38:05Z")
> [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](#): > > I answer each post individually. So if 100 people say the same thing, I will repeat myself 100 times. It’s not whining, it’s answering each each post as they come. Whether you reply to each post individually or not and how many people say the same thing has absolutely nothing to do with whether what you say _in each of those replies_ is whining or not. The whining is what you _specifically_ say in _each_ of those replies, not how many times you say it. You totally ignored and dodged the fact that what I specifically quoted about **one** of your replies proves that you were indeed presenting yourself as a victim even after 70+ posts in this thread. And the way you just replied to me proves that it’s not that presenting yourself as a victim means to you something different than it means to most of us. It’s that you’re not _and don’t want to be_ aware of what you’re saying… ---
**Author:** ![Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muriel_en_daire/32/150061_2.png) [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muriel_en_Daire)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/118 "2019-05-26T15:39:05Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > I think at this point it’s clear that the OP is only looking to complain and whine instead of improving himself and getting better at the game. I don’t think anyone is going to be able to convince him otherwise since he seems so deadset on just whining. Who said I haven’t improved by the advice given in this thread? And what is there to convince me of? That anomalies like 18+account players exist? Well, I know that now and will be looking out for them. ---
**Author:** ![Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muriel_en_daire/32/150061_2.png) [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muriel_en_Daire)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/119 "2019-05-26T15:40:27Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > …but now we just have another troll. When You Resort To Name Calling, You’ve Lost The Argument ---
**Author:** ![Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muriel_en_daire/32/150061_2.png) [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muriel_en_Daire)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/120 "2019-05-26T15:43:07Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > The whining is what you _specifically_ say in _each_ of those replies, " The whining is what you _specifically_ say in _each_ of those replies…" And what exactly have I said that is “whining?” Quotes please. > And the way you just replied to me proves that it’s not that presenting yourself as a victim means to you something different than it means to most of us. It’s that you’re not _and don’t want to be_ aware of what you’re saying… Likewise. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2019, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355/121 "2019-05-26T15:52:31Z")
> [@Muriel\_en\_Daire](#): > > And what exactly have I said that is “whining?” Quotes please. LOL. I quoted it in my first reply to you in this thread already, you _chose_ to ignore and dodged what I said there… And now you want me to quote it _again_ just because you’re unwilling to see it yourself? WTF. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-just-wow/161355.md?page=7)