# Wow, when did EVE become pay-to-win? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 22, 2020, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283 "2020-05-22T22:46:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/42 "2020-06-19T22:52:03Z")
EVE is not Pay to Win, as many bears have discovered you can Pay To Lose 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/43 "2020-06-19T23:07:07Z")
Ah, it was so close, until you made the most common lazy typo… Now that’s a good burn. I’d add that “you can’t buy skill” ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/44 "2020-06-19T23:22:10Z")
> [@Canis\_Lupus](#): > > I was excited to reactivate this character after reclaiming my real life back in 2008. And then I was extremely sad to see that the one thing that no one could ever get past… the earning of skill points over time… it had been ruined. Now you can pay cash and get skill points. So the years and years of all my effort could now be covered for maybe a few hundred bucks. This cheapened my experience considerably. You could _always_ take this shortcut by buying entire characters. Sure, during the first few years, no one had high-SP characters, but three years in, that was no longer a barrier to skipping ahead. > [@Canis\_Lupus](#): > > I also noticed that the inherent aspects of each race applying bonuses to their own ships is… gone. Anyone can fly any ship, fantastic. Not. ??? Care to elaborate? The racial ship bonuses might have been adjusted, but generally still follow the same patterns as they did in the beginning. Minmatar still have projectile turret bonuses, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/45 "2020-06-19T23:27:37Z")
It sounds like something from the very early days, where only Minmatar could fly Minmatar ships. Ancient history - he might as well complain about sec status only going up to 5 now, instead of 10. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/e/fe1b775279cf2eb3d12c822f17254f9d8014dd54.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/46 "2020-06-19T23:37:25Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > It sounds like something from the very early days, where only Minmatar could fly Minmatar ships. Ancient history - he might as well complain about sec status only going up to 5 now, instead of 10. > [https://images.wisconsinhistory.org/700011270118/1127002357-l.jpg](https://images.wisconsinhistory.org/700011270118/1127002357-l.jpg) I thought that was something that didn’t even make it past the beta? My mind can’t even remember that far back - I was like 2 years old back then. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/47 "2020-06-19T23:39:09Z")
You know how those Beta players are - “everything was better before the launch.” Although, he is right about one thing - it wasn’t Pay-To-Win when it was in Beta testing. ---
**Author:** ![zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zazzmatazz_xu/32/451037_2.png) [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zazzmatazz_Xu)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/48 "2020-06-19T23:40:40Z")
> [@tarball](#): > > pay-to-win For some it is all they have to feel good in RL, be kind and don’t take that away. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steve_ronuken/32/373894_2.png) [@Steve\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steve_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/49 "2020-06-19T23:52:16Z")
> [@Canis\_Lupus](#): > > the years and years of all my effort What effort? Unless you’re talking about alarm clocking. Then I’m just going to point and laugh at you for being pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Katyusha\_Lisa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katyusha_lisa/32/176157_2.png) [@Katyusha\_Lisa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katyusha_Lisa)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/50 "2020-06-20T00:06:40Z")
Shown by the officer filled loot pinatas on eve killboard you can buy it but can you fly it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Obsidian\_Hawk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obsidian_hawk/32/497686_2.png) [@Obsidian\_Hawk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obsidian_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/51 "2020-06-20T02:57:14Z")
Just because you have isk doesnt mean you know the mechanics. Also alpha bros can ruin any vets day if they have a basic grasp of mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/52 "2020-06-20T03:07:05Z")
Especially if it is several alpha bros at one time. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/53 "2020-06-20T03:08:32Z")
i dont like to brag so ill show this kills by a guy who is totally not me he is from a unknown corp and killed 2 t3 destroyers (hecate) ,70 mil each, 2 vs 1 ,using a simple omen t1 cruiser( 47 mil fitted ), inside a medium plex in siseide what a great man this guy is, and he is totally not me it almost proof that eve is not pay to win with few screenshots ![Captura de Tela 2020-06-19 Ă s 21.24.00](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/0/1054838aa5cf6a632c6fb876e457974fa26176de.jpeg) ![Captura de Tela 2020-06-19 Ă s 21.38.00](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/4/f4b2cb291b197195c22db8a24a299a6373a34e36.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/54 "2020-06-20T03:38:54Z")
> [@Canis\_Lupus](#): > > Ships meant something, isk meant something, and losing either meant months of work down the toilet. My fingers would shake in combat because of how much was on the line. Today? $20 fixes just about any problem. Forget that… All of what you said comes across to me as a you problem, not an EVE Online problem. Not sorry your feelings were hurt because you felt the need to be superior over other players just because you paid more in a subscription time. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 3:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/55 "2020-06-20T03:41:55Z")
It was totally you. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 3:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/56 "2020-06-20T03:45:48Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/b/8bf515827d36f301723bdb0dd117bcf34bebf186.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Spruillo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spruillo/32/399314_2.png) [@Spruillo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spruillo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/57 "2020-06-20T05:18:00Z")
Are you talking about filaments the coolest thing since POSes? ---
**Author:** ![Ishmael\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ishmael_ronuken/32/209150_2.png) [@Ishmael\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ishmael_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/58 "2020-06-20T05:21:35Z")
Thanks for reminding me when the time comes and I can pilot a confidently skilled Loki I need to call it the “Whaler”. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/60 "2020-06-20T10:45:45Z")
Since the day they introduced PLEX, circa, 2009? Yes, I just read the title In many cases it is “Pay to Lose” so it balances out I imagine ---
**Author:** ![Sideways\_Bottomsup](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sideways_bottomsup/32/194490_2.png) [@Sideways\_Bottomsup](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sideways_Bottomsup)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2020, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/61 "2020-06-20T11:07:49Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > Since the day they introduced PLEX, circa, 2009? Before that, people were selling timecodes for isk. Nothing’s really changed, they’ve just streamlined the process slightly. ---
**Author:** ![Kalpel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalpel/32/186678_2.png) [@Kalpel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalpel)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/62 "2020-06-21T05:27:58Z")
> [@tarball](#): > > Been away for a few years and was curious about how eve was doing and whether to re-sub. It seems that the pay-to-win aspects is growing and that money can more-or-less buy you anything. I suspect this is a money-maker for the developer. They don’t teach the skill of flying the ships at injector college, so it’s all good [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283.md?page=4)