# Wow, when did EVE become pay-to-win? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 22, 2020, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283 "2020-05-22T22:46:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/123 "2020-06-27T04:18:26Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > i get killed , day by day , got killed 922 times , doesn’t care , I’m immortal I had that problem with someone, until I learned that you gotta chop off the head. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/124 "2020-06-27T05:03:42Z")
im under the influence of alcohol ms @Destiny_Corrupted but in vino veritas edit: mr ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/125 "2020-06-27T05:24:41Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > in vino veritas Age quod agis. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/126 "2020-06-27T05:27:49Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Age quod agis. si vis me flere, dolendum est primum ipsi tibi 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/127 "2020-06-27T08:21:30Z")
Oh. Hi. I knew your name was familiar when the fleet that I led today killed your Omen. I think you managed to come out ISK-positive in the matter with interceptors not being able to warp off before dying, so good job there. [https://zkillboard.com/kill/85218491/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85218491/) ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/128 "2020-06-27T10:10:16Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > ipsi tibi In my mind I read that as itsy bitsy. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/129 "2020-06-27T10:36:17Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > im under the influence of alcohol Veni, vermini, vomui. Homo Homini Lupus ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/130 "2020-06-27T11:15:31Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > edit: if you are over the Age of consent ofc You mean 16? Like in every civilized country outside the us? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/131 "2020-06-27T11:44:46Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > You mean 16? Like in every civilized country outside the us? In the US it varies from state to state between 16 and 18. Elsewhere UK 16, France 15, Sweden 15, Denmark 15, Germany 14, Italy 14, Austria 14, Portugal 14, Hungary 14, Turkey 18, Spain 16, Japan 13 etc etc. You might want to check your facts before making such a sweeping generalisation, although if we go by your past posting you and facts are unfamiliar bedfellows. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/132 "2020-06-27T12:31:25Z")
Let’s set the record straight: I might not be legal, but I’m _legit_ AF. I’m a cold carebear killa, EVE’s original gangsta, all yo’ barges better start alignin’ cause my Catalyst fasta’. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/b/2b98cb095cc44a84195e8f8bd31ee393defa7dfb.jpeg) Word to yo’ motha, Darlo. 🤙 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/133 "2020-06-27T12:40:26Z")
Waifu for laifu? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/134 "2020-06-27T14:26:21Z")
> [@Gergoran\_Moussou](#): > > Oh. Hi. > > I knew your name was familiar when the fleet that I led today killed your Omen. I think you managed to come out ISK-positive in the matter with interceptors not being able to warp off before dying, so good job there. [https://zkillboard.com/kill/85218491/](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85218491/) to be fair i fall for the bait i was trying to loot the first ceptor wen the second came 😃 gf o7 ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/135 "2020-06-27T14:35:04Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I had that problem with someone, until I learned that you gotta chop off the head. _insert captain america in here_ I understood that reference! ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/136 "2020-06-27T14:52:12Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I’m a cold carebear killa, EVE’s original gangsta, all yo’ barges better start alignin’ cause my Catalyst fasta’. > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/b/2b98cb095cc44a84195e8f8bd31ee393defa7dfb.jpeg) 😮 ms @Destiny_Corrupted is so cute ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2020, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/138 "2020-06-30T03:44:33Z")
Has been for a long time. You have been able to buy a fully skilled character off the character bizarre and you have had the ability to buy plex and sell it in game for isk. Anyone half decent at mmos can do this and then join a corp and be up and running in a short amount of time. Nothing new, maybe someone just woke up or conviently chooses to ignore. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Voice](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_voice/32/386683_2.png) [@The\_Voice](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Voice)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/139 "2020-08-17T22:41:48Z")
People who spend more money can adapt faster to changes, thats why CCP is forcing everyone to adapt so often. People with a credit card will buy skillpoints to adapt. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/140 "2020-08-17T22:53:34Z")
> [@Scarlet\_Starfire](#): > > P2W is something dirty Hear hear ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/141 "2020-08-17T22:57:21Z")
a wise man once said > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > chill > eve is not pay to win ---
**Author:** ![Blaedin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blaedin/32/435160_2.png) [@Blaedin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blaedin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/142 "2020-08-18T13:11:19Z")
A few years back when they allowed people to directly convert cash into plex into skill points. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2020, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283/143 "2020-08-19T08:05:11Z")
Doesn’t matter how many skill points you have, if you don’t have actual PvP skills yourself you’ll lose fights. Therefore Eve is NOT ‘pay to win’. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wow-when-did-eve-become-pay-to-win/243283.md?page=8)