# "Wreck Their Dream" Makes New Players Leave **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 20, 2021, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310 "2021-10-20T12:40:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/24 "2021-10-20T13:54:22Z")
Right. Since OP does not want to say what’s keeping him from doing the stuff he wants doing, it’s time to put a very simple truth about EvE in focus. The game holds up a mirror. The only thing that prevents you from doing anything in the game is … you. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/25 "2021-10-20T13:54:31Z")
> [@Twijn\_Sunz](#): > > That’s pretty bad for player retention. I know, only a small subset of players are likely to stay. I think it is a niche game and you are wise to ask yourself if you should continue. Still if you like a dark challenge then you will enjoy facets of it, but it wastes so much time… ---
**Author:** ![Twijn\_Sunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twijn_sunz/32/289865_2.png) [@Twijn\_Sunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twijn_Sunz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/27 "2021-10-20T13:56:55Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I know, only a small subset of players are likely to stay. I think it is a niche game Which explains the falling player rates… makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Twijn\_Sunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twijn_sunz/32/289865_2.png) [@Twijn\_Sunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twijn_Sunz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/28 "2021-10-20T13:58:29Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > but it wastes so much time… I don’t mind spending time on a game, I have lots of it but if it’s for nothing then it’s very bad. ---
**Author:** ![Twijn\_Sunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twijn_sunz/32/289865_2.png) [@Twijn\_Sunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twijn_Sunz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/32 "2021-10-20T14:06:39Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > You’re beyond help. So sorry Quit trolling this thread. Go boil an egg or something. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/35 "2021-10-20T14:11:14Z")
> [@Twijn\_Sunz](#): > > I play EVE to be able to mine and manufacture my own ships and ammo to eventually join a corporation and participate in PvP’s space battles, that’s my dream, and then I read “Wreck their dream” so to me it means that some players will do everything in their power to prevent me from doing just that, Did it actually happen? Did someone stop you from following your dream? If so, do tell. If not, is it merely the _possibility_ that someone somewhere **might** interfere with your dream that’s holding you back? If so, not to be insulting, but that sounds like a personal character flaw you have to deal with not just for the game but for all of life. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/37 "2021-10-20T14:13:51Z")
Nice write up and yeah, that probably explains the reason for poor player retention. This game reminds me of my 100 gal Fish Tank. When I first got it, I set it up with a variety of little Cichlid fish. Over time some of those fish grew quite large, marked out their territory and became aggressive. Not only that they also hogged up most of the food as well. When they were all little I fed them worms and pellets, as they got larger I switched to live feeder goldfish. Meanwhile in order to survive, all the other fish who remained small ended up hiding in plants and rocks. When the larger fish were eating, scales and bits of the feeder goldfish would be expelled from their gills. The smaller Cichlid fish hiding in the plants and rocks would dart in and out of their hiding places and scoop up those bits for food. So yeah, Eve is like a big fish tank with all different sizes of fish in it with some more aggressive than others. Even if you’re a little fish you can still live in Eve, just gotta learn how to survive… ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/38 "2021-10-20T14:15:02Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Besides, nothing in EVE _guarantees a loss_ You’re only guaranteed to lose if you don’t try. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Twijn\_Sunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twijn_sunz/32/289865_2.png) [@Twijn\_Sunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twijn_Sunz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/39 "2021-10-20T14:15:27Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > is it merely the _possibility_ that someone somewhere **might** interfere with your dream that’s holding you back? Yea, it’s pretty discouraging to read “Wreck their dreams” and “not here to run the game, just ruin your game”… that’s just crappy attitude towards other players, especially new players. ---
**Author:** ![Twijn\_Sunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twijn_sunz/32/289865_2.png) [@Twijn\_Sunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twijn_Sunz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/41 "2021-10-20T14:17:33Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Nice write up and yeah, that probably explains the reason for poor player retention Thank you! THAT’s what the thread is about. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/42 "2021-10-20T14:18:56Z")
I don’t understand why Twijn is telling _us_ about his negative view of the game. It’s hardly anything we haven’t heard a million times before. So, here we have a happy-as-long-as-I’m-winning fellow, impotently swatting at wreckers-of-dreams fellows, in the hope that someone will…what, exactly? Twijn, I did read your OP. If you’re going, go; if you want to try again, do so, and Welcome! ---
**Author:** ![Twijn\_Sunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twijn_sunz/32/289865_2.png) [@Twijn\_Sunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twijn_Sunz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/44 "2021-10-20T14:21:37Z")
Evidently, this thread has touched a nerve. ---
**Author:** ![Twijn\_Sunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twijn_sunz/32/289865_2.png) [@Twijn\_Sunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twijn_Sunz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/45 "2021-10-20T14:22:31Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > You’re only guaranteed to lose if you don’t try. Take those sunglasses off, I’m still playing the game. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/46 "2021-10-20T14:22:40Z")
> [@Twijn\_Sunz](#): > > Now, if someone tells me that EVE has enough players and doesn’t need players like me, I’m willing to accept that. There’re plenty of other games I can play and I do play a few others that are right up my alley. Correct. Good luck finding a game where you’re guaranteed to win! Bye! ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/47 "2021-10-20T14:23:23Z")
can we share his stuff ? ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/48 "2021-10-20T14:23:55Z")
> [@Twijn\_Sunz](#): > > Space battles and open-world is what attracts me to EVE And what is it you think drives those battles in this open world? It’s two of more parties with conflicting goals. You can’t have one without the other. ---
**Author:** ![Twijn\_Sunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twijn_sunz/32/289865_2.png) [@Twijn\_Sunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twijn_Sunz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/49 "2021-10-20T14:23:58Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Good luck finding a game where you’re guaranteed to win! Jesus Christ… when did y’all IQ drop? So far, out of the posters in this thread, _only_ two get what the thread is about… it’s pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Twijn\_Sunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/twijn_sunz/32/289865_2.png) [@Twijn\_Sunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Twijn_Sunz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/50 "2021-10-20T14:25:31Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > And what is it you think drives those battles in this open world? It’s two of more parties with conflicting goals. > > You can’t have one without the other WTF are you talking about?? You’re WAY off topic. ---
**Author:** ![Algathas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/algathas/32/397229_2.png) [@Algathas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Algathas)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/51 "2021-10-20T14:26:02Z")
If someone’s dream is to wreck your dream, then you can wreck their dream by creating an organization so powerful that the dream wreckers can’t wreck it, thus becoming a dream wrecker yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310/52 "2021-10-20T14:26:05Z")
> [@Twijn\_Sunz](#): > > So far, out of the posters in this thread, _only_ two get what the thread is about… And clearly you’re not one of those. 😂 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wreck-their-dream-makes-new-players-leave/333310.md?page=3)