# Wrecking Machine. and Black Flag vs P A R A B E L L U M and co **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [January 25, 2023, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118 "2023-01-25T09:17:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 10:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/41 "2023-01-26T10:29:59Z")
> [@Abu\_Ahmed\_Al-Kuwaiti](#): > > Its insane that someone with 100 total kills and basically exclusively in F1 highsec pvp is this condescending to someone else in this game. Learn to shoot something other than highsec structures. As far as Alatara is concerned they’re one of the best PvPers in the game and in one of the best alliances with the best FCs in the game. Then when you disagree over anything, they’ll look you up on zkillboard and find something to criticize. > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Was you there, i was looking Of course not. There was a chance of loss so Wrecking crew stood down their main fleet and there’s no chance of Alatara show up if there’s a potential for ship loss either. Gotta keep that KB clean. > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > We get our warhq popped every year or two. We have killed 15 trillion in less than 3 years. I think losing 3 warhq for 15 trillion in kills is ok. How many war HQs do you need to lose fo it to matter? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/42 "2023-01-26T11:21:54Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Of course not. There was a chance of loss so Wrecking crew stood down their main fleet and there’s no chance of Alatara show up if there’s a potential for ship loss either. Gotta keep that KB clean. As always, you haven’t the faintest idea what you are babbling on about. Not only was I there for the prior battle the previous night ( and got in on 11 kills )…but in fact Wrecking Machine _was_ there last night as well…a fleet of Hecates. The only thing you have expertise in is spouting BS. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/43 "2023-01-26T12:16:12Z")
You are right. It never matters. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/44 "2023-01-26T13:44:58Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > As always, you haven’t the faintest idea what you are babbling on about. Not only was I there for the prior battle the previous night ( and got in on 11 kills ) Yep, on the easier timer where far fewer people showed up and the enemy were vastly outnumbered. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > but in fact Wrecking Machine _was_ there last night as well…a fleet of Hecates. Not really a fleet, a ragtag bunch that got themselves wiped out. Had your alliance actually fielded a proper fleet and had you actually got an FC that knows what they are doing (something that doesn’t exist in Wrecking Machine), the structure might have survived. By the way, I like that you’re trying to tell me what happened yesterday when you weren’t there but I was. > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > You are right. > > It never matters. 🙂 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/45 "2023-01-26T14:32:20Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I’m sure there will be more. Plus I have characters in others corps…so I don’t actually ‘miss’ as much as people might think 🙂 How? One character is all I can manage. Teach me senpai, so that I may learn how to infiltrate corps, weasel my way into corp roles and steal from the hangers. ---
**Author:** ![Malkaviano\_Revenge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malkaviano_revenge/32/351277_2.png) [@Malkaviano\_Revenge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malkaviano_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/46 "2023-01-26T14:56:48Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > It the small nobodies that could never do it on their own in local or reddit that was the biggest ■■■■ talkers as always. I agree with that statement, but I kinda like EVE is like that, there’s space for everybody. I myself, I’m one level below a nobody, BUT I’ll keep criticizing RL shenanigans and money oriented gameplay, because it’s bad to the game and I don’t give two fucks if the people doing it are real gods in game. I wanted it on record, and if you dare to look my zkillboard, use a mask, IT STINKS. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/47 "2023-01-26T15:06:35Z")
Lol…typical Elizabet. You were there long enough to score a miserable 12 hit points on a station, and now you are some expert on the entire battle and can tell everyone what they did. Away with your BS. Your relevance to my Eve makes even the Planck Unit look huge…so stop trying to butt in as if you mattered at all. You don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/48 "2023-01-26T15:18:24Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Teach me senpai, so that I may learn how to infiltrate corps, weasel my way into corp roles and steal from the hangers. The truly bizarre thing is when you find yourself fighting your main account’s allies…in order to demonstrate loyalty. See, Elizabet has no idea of most of what I get up to. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/49 "2023-01-26T15:59:59Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You were there long enough to score a miserable 12 hit points on a station 12 more damage than Aiko did. I like how you’re going back to criticizing damage amounts, even though you keep going “I got 11 kills!” when you did very little damage to all of them. I honestly thought it would take you a little longer to go full hypocrite. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > now you are some expert on the entire battle and can tell everyone what they did. Again, that whole “expert” thing is a strawman. I have not claimed to be an expert. But I was there on grid for the whole fight so I had a good view of everything that happened. You weren’t, you ran away scared of losing a single ship and you hid under a rock for the whole fight. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The truly bizarre thing is when you find yourself fighting your main account’s allies…in order to demonstrate loyalty. See, Elizabet has no idea of most of what I get up to. You have no idea what I get up to either. You constantly attack people for what you see on the killboard of the character they are posting on, ignoring that they too will have alts. You’re constantly criticizing people based on kills you weren’t present for. It’s just a dishonest method of debating. You just personally attack anyone that disagrees with you rather than countering any points being made. Throughout this thread, you pained yourself and your alliance as superior even though you lost the strategic objective for the armor timer and didn’t form a decent fleet for the hull timer. When reality is pointed out you get hyper-aggressive. You need to learn to calm down. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/50 "2023-01-26T16:41:31Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > You constantly attack people for what you see on the killboard of the character they are posting on, ignoring that they too will have alts. You’re constantly criticizing people based on kills you weren’t present for. It’s just a dishonest method of debating. You just personally attack anyone that disagrees with you rather than countering any points being made. What an utter hypocrite you are. You are the one who butted your way into this thread doing just that ( which anyone can see for themselves ) . You spend 99% of your time accusing everyone else of precisely the personal attacks you yourself are the instigator of. I do not care about your mind numbingly irrelevant thoughts on things. Would you kindly \*\*\*\*\* off and leave me alone. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/51 "2023-01-26T16:43:51Z")
Uhh, no. A guy asked a question about what was going on, I answered it. I wasn’t on grid for the armor timer but I was on comms with a mate who was so I knew exactly what was going on while it happened as we were chatting about it. You then jumped in after that. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/52 "2023-01-26T16:49:03Z")
Nope…anyone can see where you personally attacked ( for no reason ) after my comment about the 11 kills. I’d had no prior response to or from you on the thread. I did not ask for your opinion. It’s your usual tactic. Personal attack on people, and then when they respond you accuse them of personal attack. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/53 "2023-01-26T17:05:43Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I’d had no prior response to or from you on the thread. This is false, since you claimed it was not a turkey shoot, which was my description of it. Stop with the gaslighting. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/54 "2023-01-26T17:23:11Z")
Children, children, please… None of that matters, whether you were on or off the grid, on this side or the other. What matters is if you had fun in the game doing game things, even if you flew an ibis to just be there. The après-encounters on the forum should be for the greater glorification of the participants !! Peace out ☮ 😁 ☮ ---
**Author:** ![Dax\_O\_Nell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dax_o_nell/32/358913_2.png) [@Dax\_O\_Nell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dax_O_Nell)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/55 "2023-01-26T17:29:27Z")
> [@Dariod\_Sarn](#): > > Nonames Just so you know those “nonames” just let it happen is a pet project alliance for a member of blackflag so they will always come to the rescue of FUM8. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/56 "2023-01-26T18:00:18Z")
Is Black Flag already defeated? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/58 "2023-01-26T18:43:40Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > The après-encounters on the forum should be for the greater glorification of the participants !! Which is precisely how it was before the artist now known as ‘View 1 Hidden Reply’ showed up. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/59 "2023-01-26T19:41:55Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > What matters is if you had fun in the game doing game things, even if you flew an ibis to just be there. I did indeed have fun. Noone in a decent ship went suspect however which was my original plan to get fights without a wardec, but it was fun to watch unfold nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/60 "2023-01-26T21:01:42Z")
Lol no… We already have new fort up. And PARRA is still dying. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/61 "2023-01-26T21:04:05Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > And PARRA is still dying Yes they sure are, all today there ships have been popping [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118.md?page=4)