# Wrecking Machine. and Black Flag vs P A R A B E L L U M and co **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [January 25, 2023, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118 "2023-01-25T09:17:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/125 "2023-02-02T21:26:11Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > You just mad because I told you off. > It’s ok, you’ll get over it. Actually she called you out and you didn’t respond to that. But we all know why 😃 You’d never actually try to talk back with antimatter. > [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > That loser can take cheap pot shots at that other loser Kuro for all I care… probably an alt, too. Aw, you do care 😃 Notice you weren’t brave enough to tag me tho 😃 > [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > Wolves sv wolves ( which happens of course ) or wolves vs other animals. Wolves don’t actively hunt other wolves as prey items tho. Would two rival packs fight if they encounter each other? Of course, as would most groups since the most fierce competition comes from others of your kind. However, they are competing because they share the same prey pool. The ventures in this case is the prey a PvPer would go after. I mean I get maybe you don’t watch alot of NetGeo or AP. That’s your loss 😃 Attenborough weeps. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Wolves gotta eat and they don’t survive by eating other wolves. Io beat me to it 😃 > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Once you start hunting, let me know how often you come across a target-rich environment where you are having the luxury to choose between “a Venture” and “a better prize”. She doesn’t even get that it is hard to pin down a venture solo if the venture pilot is even halfway competent or yennoe, actually at the keyboard. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/126 "2023-02-02T22:02:55Z")
Have we lost Focus again, i did see Black flag racking up the kills and Dr Per baiting in a thrasher, or thats what it looked like Just on a side note can anyone tell me about Jita holdings, one group i know little about, any connected to fraternity, not sure why i think that but id be interested to know ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/127 "2023-02-02T22:24:12Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > an anyone tell me about Jita holdings Send 1 billion isk, and I will forward a customized intel report. ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/128 "2023-02-02T23:28:38Z")
@Io_Koval Thank you for input and opinion. Of note: > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > …which is why you would never learn how to So you know the future now. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > The only people that think “catching and killing a humble Venture is such an easy task” are those who have never tried, and therefore have never learned that the Venture is actually rather difficult to catch and requires additional considerations (which actually puts you at more risk). I didn’t say “Venture is easy to catch” You’re reaching. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > A nice idea, but an uninformed one Right… Everything I’ll write will be “uninformed” unless you teach me poor noob to think and learn. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Once you start hunting, let me know how often you come across a target-rich environment where you are having the luxury to choose between “a Venture” and “a better prize”. Right, I forgot. The game is empty of players. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Without going into FW and then onto a front line (and even then, people aren’t in Ventures), and especially if you decide to pirate solo, it’s not going to happen Sure, I might as well pack my bags and go home. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > You’re going to find opportunities come sequentially, and parallel in only extraordinary coincidences Again. Your insight into the unknown future is astounding. ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/129 "2023-02-02T23:57:18Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > PvP is very easy Finally someone with some sense in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/130 "2023-02-03T01:01:26Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > I would hesitate to jump on a Venture, As a 12 year old girl, serving multiple consecutive life time sentences in prison for blowing up pixilated space ships in a fictional game, I would say this: Ventures are absolutely viable targets, especially when your waiting and on the hunt to bag “bigger prizes” whatever that means. I guess Retreivers and Covetors? Or do you mean frigates with guns? Destroyers? Maybe the odd cruiser? How about that battleship mission runners love to bring into low sec when they are feeling risky? Or maybe you mean blobbing in 100+ fleets jumping on that poor ibis that passed through the gate you’re camping and you apply a massive 0 damage to it just to whore on the kill mail. I’m curious what this “bigger prize” is. ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 1:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/131 "2023-02-03T01:10:53Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > I’m curious what this “bigger prize” is. No worries. She knows “real” PvP of course. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/132 "2023-02-03T01:15:39Z")
> [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](#): > > No worries. She knows “real” PvP of course. Naturally. ---
**Author:** ![Nienna\_Nannie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nienna_nannie/32/373656_2.png) [@Nienna\_Nannie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nienna_Nannie)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 4:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/133 "2023-02-03T04:21:17Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > Again. Your insight into the unknown future is astounding You can count on them to brag in the forum but in the game they’re nowhere to be found, that’s if they even play. I know @Destiny_Corrupted doesn’t play the game. Still, here in the forum playing the troll. Want a piece of advice? 90% of these jokers on here are alts and troll. The other 10% don’t even want to engage these blowhards. You do the math, kiddo. Don’t even bother. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/134 "2023-02-03T06:31:57Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > So you know the future now. I am just trying to gift you my cumulative experience — and second hand knowledge from others who’ve I’ve discussed hunting and PvP with — as a source of free, gratis secondhand knowledge. If this is how you treat all teachers (which I am not) and people spouting off their knowledge (which is more me), then I guess good luck finding mentors out there. The next time you learn something cool from another player — whether in game, on the forums — and you want to type „Thanks“, I do hope you pause, treat that person equally as I, delete the pending message, and type instead „So you know the future now“. I hope that carries you farther than I think. I get a lot of ■■■■ on these forums from others for repeatedly trying to treat newbies as „probably actually genuine newbies“ instead of „sockpuppets worthy of being trolled“ and yes it does mean I occasionally get to come out with egg on my face and looking like a fool. Hooray for me. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/135 "2023-02-03T07:18:34Z")
I thought the title of this thread was about CCP’s R&R Band vs some other R&R Bands… 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kuro_kanashimi/32/351894_2.png) [@Kuro\_Kanashimi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kuro_Kanashimi)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/136 "2023-02-03T08:20:13Z")
> [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > You can count on them to brag in the forum but in the game they’re nowhere to be found, that’s if they even play. The irony 😃 > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > sockpuppets worthy of being trolled The only true newb I encountered in a while was Mindhouf. And that guy that Grampy griefed off the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/137 "2023-02-03T10:55:10Z")
> [@Nienna\_Nannie](#): > > Want a piece of advice? 90% of these jokers on here are alts and troll. The other 10% don’t even want to engage these blowhards. You do the math, kiddo. Don’t even bother. It doesn’t bother me, it’s not so important… I don’t even know these people 🤣 > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > thought the title of this thread was about CCP’s R&R Band vs some other R&R Bands It’s too boring for them, they would rather get into forum drama, it’s more entertaining than their gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/138 "2023-02-03T11:07:55Z")
Hello forum > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > As a 12 year old girl, serving multiple consecutive life time sentences in prison… Hold up there, I’m so sorry, I am not allowed to engage with convicts… no matter the age. * * * Fifie abides by the law… mostly. ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/139 "2023-02-03T11:29:10Z")
Hello forum > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > I am just trying to gift you my cumulative experience — and second hand knowledge from others who’ve I’ve discussed hunting and PvP with — as a source of free, gratis secondhand knowledge I sure appreciate, sir. You should put it in blog form so it helps the whole community. I myself learn by doing, testing and observing. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > If this is how you treat all teachers ( **which I am not** ) and people spouting off their knowledge (which is more me), then I guess good luck finding mentors out there I love teachers… at least the real ones. It’s not just a job, it’s a vocation. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > I get a lot of ■■■■ on these forums from others for repeatedly trying to treat newbies as „probably actually genuine newbies“ instead of „sockpuppets worthy of being trolled“ and yes it does mean I occasionally get to come out with egg on my face and looking like a fool. Hooray for me Aaaw, I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. I apologize. I did appreciate the knowledge you imparted and I’m someone who will read helpful posts weeks and months afrer the fact, always finding some new interesting detail. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/140 "2023-02-03T13:46:41Z")
> [@Fifie\_Brindacier](#): > > Hold up there, I’m so sorry, I am not allowed to engage with convicts… no matter the age. You just did. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/141 "2023-02-03T13:49:03Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/1/0/010f6f0cb95aed6751f61c2aab9ab4f5be5a74ae.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Fifie\_Brindacier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fifie_brindacier/32/373279_2.png) [@Fifie\_Brindacier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fifie_Brindacier)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/142 "2023-02-03T13:51:13Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > You just did I can hear _ **loud** _ bangs on my door now. Thanks a lot.😒 * * * Fifie is busted. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/143 "2023-02-16T19:54:48Z")
Being bad and sucking is an art. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/144 "2023-02-19T08:27:56Z")
So when dowe get an update on how this war when, i only ask because i feel its an important part of understanding eve warfare. War in eve isn’t just won by brute force and im sure it would be of interesting to non pvpers and new players alike, so they can see what actually happens. I’m surprised our new forum alt friend hasn’t contributed yet.🤔 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118.md?page=8)