# Wrecking Machine. and Black Flag vs P A R A B E L L U M and co **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [January 25, 2023, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118 "2023-01-25T09:17:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/145 "2023-02-19T09:21:25Z")
Now thats interesting jita holding and Parabellum ganking in Gelfiven. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/146 "2023-03-01T18:23:18Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > And how did Lucas get into this chat ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/c/c/bcc2592af28569fc6edde0e900ac54cd252d1db6.gif) > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > War in eve isn’t just won by brute force Actually it is (see Blackflag). You getting confused with the good old days of guerilla warfare. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/147 "2023-03-01T18:33:00Z")
> [@3CT0PLASM4](#): > > At least if you had accepted that 1v1 No such thing. Learn to GANK. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/148 "2023-03-01T20:56:56Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Actually it is (see Blackflag). You getting confused with the good old days of guerilla warfare. If you really wanted to you could, join as allies, by dropping a pos in an out the way area then guerilla warfare until they find your pos, rinse and repeat ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/149 "2023-03-01T23:35:28Z")
I prefer gorilla warfare. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/150 "2023-03-01T23:52:32Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I prefer gorilla warfare. Is that like bull fighting with gorillas? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2023, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/151 "2023-03-04T02:00:38Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I prefer gorilla warfare. Hmm…this one looks quite tanky. Could probably even take on a Sotiyo. ![36fcoamev0_Mountain_Gorilla_Silverback_WW22557](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/b/f/ebf03f5ce076c5d6cf1a00204872f2fcf131d3d9.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2023, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/152 "2023-03-04T14:04:14Z")
An update… Possibly the biggest ever battle in highsec, in Finanar yesterday. Over 1000 people fighting in the system at one point. I am glad I’ll be able to look back and say I was there. Alas killboard and the battle report have still ( 18 hours later ) not yet been updated with the most significant kill…that of PARABELLUM’s costly Sotiyo. > **[Finanar (Metropolis) 2023-03-03, 23:00 ET](https://br.evetools.org/br/640235f366993f037494523f)** > > Battle involved 1008 pilots > who lost a total of 205.2b isk ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/153 "2023-03-04T17:00:50Z")
Here I thought leaving nullsec ment not having to deal with extreme TiDi. Anyway, it was good. That was their most important structure, now for the rest. EDIT: To bad there is no Sot killmail generated. It had two techII rigs. One worth 122bill and another and another at 77Bill… It is why they defended it so fiercely. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2023, 2:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/154 "2023-03-05T02:37:17Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > To bad there is no Sot killmail generated Is that a killboard issue or was there literally no killmail ? Nobody has come forward to say they received one. There was about 40 of us from WM firing at it when it popped. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2023, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/155 "2023-03-05T07:39:41Z")
Thxs for the update And Governor Lee was there too 🤔 Can i ask, what did the cat fleet do on the Parabellum side, just out of interest. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2023, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/156 "2023-03-05T08:04:25Z")
This is a bug. There was cases like with tidi and to many people not generating killmails. Goons had similar issues when they were popping keepstars. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2023, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/157 "2023-03-05T08:09:42Z")
They did not want to risk anymore larger ships. And Catas are extremely dangerous with massive dps if used properly to harass ships as they leave and kill stragglers. I mean at the end of the night Parra already lost over 300 bill (including the structure). It would be silly to commit again. We already replaced our paladins and was back on field. During the fight they are also send a fleet of catas to attack our warhq to get us away from the fight. Using catas for it was silly as I manned the structure and easily cleared a few catas. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2023, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/158 "2023-03-05T11:06:22Z")
Their Catalyst fit is rather good…with 756 DPS if overheated. I’ve copied it for my AO10 ganker character…as I could not figure how to have both warp scrambler and afterburner _and_ get over 700 DPS. They are simply no match for our Apocs, though… We had a Catalyst feast destroying them in Finanar on Feb 20th. Killboard shows them losing 200 or so Catalysts that day. ![JH_Catalyst_Fit](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/3/9/5396bf411690d1c752a32a84ddb84a02534b495f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![jonmuis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonmuis/32/374317_2.png) [@jonmuis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/jonmuis)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2023, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/159 "2023-03-07T02:24:13Z")
been an issue for 9 years! ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/160 "2023-03-07T16:17:59Z")
This story made the mata show and I think they are going to do more next week, good work on making content ---
**Author:** ![Shilliam\_Watner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shilliam_watner/32/358077_2.png) [@Shilliam\_Watner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shilliam_Watner)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/161 "2023-03-09T04:35:06Z")
Should be 813 dps w/OH on a zero-implant character. Been using a version of this myself for close to 3 years. It’s just a t2 aerator or accelerator rig with a t1 algid rig. Started using it in summer 2020 to solo retrievers and hulks in 0.9/1.0, macks in 0.5 to 0.7, before the barge/exhumer EHP buff. > **[Hulk | Diamond Edge 1 | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/85324471/)** > > Diamond Edge 1 (Federal Navy Academy) lost their Hulk in Algogille (Essence) Total Value: 264,185,114.35 ISK > **[Hulk | Rexus Naari | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/84960708/)** > > Rexus Naari (Republic Mining Corp.) lost their Hulk in Botane (Sinq Laison) Total Value: 267,553,592.56 ISK I’m surprised they don’t have a t1 hyperspatial velocity rig on it with the remaining 50 calibration. Costs only ~140k. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 5:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/162 "2023-03-09T05:01:18Z")
> [@Shilliam\_Watner](#): > > Should be 813 dps w/OH on a zero-implant character. Indeed…but my ganker alt ( one of my 3 Omega characters ) seldom gets the skills queue these days what with me training up for Nightmares and Zealots and so on in this character. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/163 "2023-03-09T14:41:06Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > ndeed…but my ganker alt ( one of my 3 Omega characters ) seldom gets the skills queue You don’t need a lot of skills to gank successfully. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/0/3/c033ad3f5527717a1ea3928c0a3ca81a991d9613.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118/164 "2023-03-09T15:12:27Z")
Are you implying ganking is a low skill activity? 😏 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/wrecking-machine-and-black-flag-vs-p-a-r-a-b-e-l-l-u-m-and-co/393118.md?page=9)