# You have to fight for what you believe in **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2019, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206 "2019-11-28T00:21:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Vynneve](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_vynneve/32/221118_2.png) [@Valerie\_Vynneve](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Vynneve)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/21 "2019-12-03T09:13:47Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > I cannot enlighten you. Nor do I expect you to. I can talk to the Archbishop for that purpose if I need to. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/22 "2019-12-03T09:34:29Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > Pax Amarria has taught you nothing. Hardly. The collapse of the Heideran-Midular Peace taught us many things. The lessons were just not particularly nice ones for anyone actively seeking sustained peace. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/23 "2019-12-03T09:35:04Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > The collapse of the Heideran-Midular Peace taught us many things. The lessons were just not particularly nice ones for anyone actively seeking sustained peace. This. ---
**Author:** ![Constantin\_Baracca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/constantin_baracca/32/170074_2.png) [@Constantin\_Baracca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Constantin_Baracca)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/24 "2019-12-03T13:40:21Z")
You’re too kind! Also, happy forumversary? ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Vynneve](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_vynneve/32/221118_2.png) [@Valerie\_Vynneve](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Vynneve)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/25 "2019-12-03T15:20:25Z")
> [@Constantin\_Baracca](#): > > You’re too kind! Not at all. As I said at our most recent meeting, _reclaiming by the ethanol_ is a concept I can get behind. > [@](#): > > Also, happy forumversary? Thank you, I’ll be on the lookout for yours. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/26 "2019-12-03T17:40:04Z")
Unfortunately, your right… ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/27 "2019-12-05T16:57:45Z")
I highly doubt he has much idea of what I am speaking of. Nor do you, evidently. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/28 "2019-12-05T17:03:29Z")
This conflict is about your evil empire coming to detroy the lives on innocents, and those of us with the will and ability doing what we can to stop you. Everything else is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/29 "2019-12-05T18:00:39Z")
Nothing of the sort. This is about securing our Empire in an age where we must fight unkown threats while existing with treaty-breakers who hide their knives in dark corners, waiting for a moment to betray us as we defend humanity from real threats. We can ill-afford to watch our backs against you pathetic mongrels who bark more than bite when a war with new invaders is on our doorstep. You must be either cowed or defeated now, and Lord Sarum knows this. So here we are. Either start your so-vaunted full war and doom us all to drowning in a sea of blood, or shut your damn mouths and combat our common enemies before settling your petty thirst for revenge. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/30 "2019-12-05T18:10:26Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > Either start your so-vaunted full war and doom us all to drowning in a sea of blood, or shut your damn mouths and combat our common enemies before settling your petty thirst for revenge. We will when your troops leave. You seem to forget who declared what. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/31 "2019-12-05T18:12:08Z")
> [@Deitra\_Vess](#): > > We will when your troops leave. No, you will when your Republic negotiates terms and sticks to them for a change. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/32 "2019-12-05T18:13:53Z")
That’s pretty funny, meatpuppet. We all know your master decided the best way to suck up to Emperor Khanid was to attack what had been a relatively peaceful population of foreign civilians living within Empire-controlled space, and that he did it in response to Amarr/Minmatar _cooperation_. I mean, the ‘grr missioners’ treaty may have been stupid as hell, but it wasn’t _us_ who decided ‘nope, that’s it. If you idiots are going to try to get along, we’re gonna do full-scale planetary assaults’. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/33 "2019-12-05T18:18:53Z")
Ok, sure. Well simply ignore Amarrian troops, including your own, enslaving our kin. I’m fine with tackling this greater threat with a combined front. I will not cooperate with those actively engaging in open war on our **civilians**. Drop your support for this, and address, as you put it the greater threat and that’d be a possibility. Maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/34 "2019-12-05T18:22:47Z")
You are an idiot, Arrendis. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/35 "2019-12-05T18:23:05Z")
He can’t. He’s not allowed to have his own opinions, remember? ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/36 "2019-12-05T18:24:09Z")
I can still hope can’t I? He may be hard to deal with but he can actually be reasoned with, unlike many. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/37 "2019-12-05T18:28:49Z")
A fully loaded rifle is the only thing you need. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/38 "2019-12-05T18:32:22Z")
But not the only thing you might _want_. For example, a nice cup of hot cocoa… ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/39 "2019-12-05T18:33:06Z")
I have plenty of those, currently enroute to Floseswin, as well as matari and a handful of Caldari marines holding them. That and a couple hundred unspecified personnel with canisters of unspecified… Well, I’ll talk to you about that later. Yay for escalations… 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206/40 "2019-12-05T18:35:16Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > But not the only thing you might _want_ . Good point. A few grenades would be handy. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-have-to-fight-for-what-you-believe-in/203206.md?page=3)