# You killed maraudes! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 10, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736 "2023-06-10T16:00:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/61 "2023-06-13T18:19:13Z")
It’s not even that overpowered of a fit because you literally have no slots left for anything else, like resist mods or shield boost amplifiers. A properly-managed 2x setup is more sustainable and more dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/62 "2023-06-13T18:20:03Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Am I understanding right? The pvp thing is again smoke and mirrors. It’s really about PVE capability. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/63 "2023-06-13T18:22:36Z")
> [@Etsaki\_Hilanen](#): > > So the same a normal bs would do…And you do NOT call this a nerf? WOW Nobody denies that they have been nerfed. Most people just agree that the nerf is a) very slightly and b) completely justified. Just ending Bastion for a short time period to deal with opponents that can’t be hit while immobile is simply no big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/64 "2023-06-13T19:12:16Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > The pvp thing is again smoke and mirrors. It’s really about PVE capability. Yes, I’m aware of the ulterior motive. Which is why I felt compelled to take their “PvP argument” at face value and cast it into the light to expose the ridiculous farce it is. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/65 "2023-06-13T20:25:46Z")
According to zkillboard, I’ve killed more Marauders than anyone else in the history of the game. Jason Kusion is at 508, and I am at 592. As the game’s celebrated Marauderslayer, let me say unequivocally that I am dedicated to the deletion of Marauders, and I support CCP’s ongoing effort to destroy the carebear playstyle. ---
**Author:** ![Etsaki\_Hilanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etsaki_hilanen/32/354806_2.png) [@Etsaki\_Hilanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etsaki_Hilanen)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/66 "2023-06-13T20:46:45Z")
This is only because you are too self centered to even accept other playstyles than yours…I call this sickness,you maybe call it normality…we cannot both be right,so i suppose i am…🙂 ‘Carebears’ have the same right to be in the game as you have. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/67 "2023-06-13T20:48:55Z")
I am here to ensure that nobody else can enjoy my galaxy. ---
**Author:** ![Etsaki\_Hilanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etsaki_hilanen/32/354806_2.png) [@Etsaki\_Hilanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etsaki_Hilanen)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/68 "2023-06-13T20:50:08Z")
No you are here to make believe you know how the game is really played…only the care of the bear is worth it…hug the bear you poor pew pew guy… ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/69 "2023-06-13T22:54:10Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Yes, I’m aware of the ulterior motive. Which is why I felt compelled to take their “PvP argument” at face value and cast it into the light to expose the ridiculous farce it is. What ulterior motive? I already said what is my motive, I want to understand why CCP does such things. Explain why ccp would rather criple one ship, also for tournaments, than adress issue with triple anci tank that they admit themselves see was the issue here. CCP balances around unbalanced. > We are making adjustments to decrease the power of triple X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster fits by lowering the shield boost bonus slightly ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/70 "2023-06-13T23:00:00Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Explain why ccp would rather criple one ship No ship has been crippled. If you want a honest discussion, don’t claim things that simply haven’t happened. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > than adress issue with triple anci tank that they admit themselves see was the issue here. Who tells you it is written in stone that Triple Ancillary Shield Booster fits will be allowed forever? If they are aware of the problem they might act on it sooner or later. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/71 "2023-06-13T23:15:20Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > tournaments EvE is not a tournament game, and ships should not be balanced for tournaments. If you want that kind of gameplay, maybe you will enjoy League of Legends instead. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/72 "2023-06-13T23:17:28Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > No ship has been crippled. Well, we will see how many alternatives you have now. There is no alternative for turret shield marauder, there is either kronos or paladin for armor fleets that use turrets. If you did not know it yet, armor fleets are better than shield fleets of subcaps. You will see this when you go for example run incursions. They literally nerfed it because it was best for those solo and small gang users, they admit it in the patch notes. > The Vargur is performing the best out of all the Marauders right now for solo and small gang use. We are making adjustments to decrease the power of triple X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster fits Translation: We will nerf it for you silly people, you had too much fun killing bunch of some inexperienced people sitting still in place while their fc died and they could not think for themselves. They complained and we listened. > [@Syzygium](#): > > Who tells you it is written in stone that Triple Ancillary Shield Booster fits will be allowed forever? If they are aware of the problem they might act on it sooner or later. Like when? If they didnt want to do it right now when they had perfect opportunity? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/73 "2023-06-13T23:20:02Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > ships should not be balanced for tournaments. Ships should not be balanced around OP fits. OP fits have to be balanced by module changes or fitting requirements. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/74 "2023-06-13T23:52:53Z")
Are you in charge of balance? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/75 "2023-06-14T05:34:50Z")
I wish I was after seeing recently what they do, and its not only about balancing. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/76 "2023-06-14T05:36:20Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > There is no alternative for turret shield marauder What are you even talking about? Golems and Vargurs are still _excellent_ ships. No change to them could even remotely be called “crippling”. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > armor fleets are better than shield fleets of subcaps. So what? That is a design part of EVE that the bigger the fleet, the better Armor Composition gets (because you need huge buffer per ship to be kept alive by Logistics), while for fast skirmish gangs that can easily dictate engagement range, Shield with their better peak-repping abilities (local and RR via overheatable Invuls) shine. What do you think why Pando’s Stuka-Gangs are based on SHIELD-Kikimoras and SHIELD-Purifiers (despite them being armor-boats by design)? Because Shield works great for mobile high-damage skirmish gangs, better than Armor in most cases. I also see Sleipnir, Cerb, Loki, Vaga, Jackdaw still being used regulary in fast and agile gangs. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/77 "2023-06-14T05:43:21Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > What ulterior motive? The whole post you ignored: > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > So you are flooding the forums about how overpowered one specific Vargur PvP fit is with triple XLASBs but acknowledge you’ve never used it because of how difficult it is for a pilot to pull off successfully, and are upset with the actual changes and balance direction CCP Games went because it didn’t match your opinion of what “balancing” is, while also admitting that your opinion is informed on two things: 1) being vastly under-informed by solo PvP in general (including flying this fit specifically) and 2) one – maybe two – kills on this specific fit due to blobbing them to death. > > Am I understanding right? > > 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/78 "2023-06-14T06:12:17Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > What are you even talking about? Golems and Vargurs are still _excellent_ ships. No change to them could even remotely be called “crippling”. Why more people dont use golems in PvP then? Because of how missiles work. Turrets are always preferred in PvP scenario. Before torps come to a target it can be already far away. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > while also admitting that your opinion is informed on two things: 1) being vastly under-informed by solo PvP in general (including flying this fit specifically) and 2) one – maybe two – kills on this specific fit due to blobbing them to death. My opinion is probably that of more experienced player than a person deciding to go with that change in CCP. I have experience from using it for years for PvE and recently I was siting in vargur to get some kills, but not tripple anci one, and we met vargurs a lot recently in their triple anci fits, and these memories always sticked because it was nice to kill such monster. If we didnt kill it, it was also good, as gf matters more than just stuff dying aimlessly. The memes aside, they finally were used in PvP, after being just a blingy mission boats, it results from their (not Golem tho) ability of being cheap enough and good enough to get PvP players in them and break their resistance of flying expensive fits. You have a lot of ISK in the game, and CCP wanted to play on it, and they will use that power off, power on button even more. Have you seen the SP requirements for new skills? NOW THINK. CCP wants everyone to use INJECTORS. If you want to search for ulterior motive, start with CCP first. 😉 While I would nerf how many ancis you can fit to a ship, they would instead nerf the ship using it succesfully because of exposure it had as a succesful solo ship. It received a hammer to kneecaps because it used another thing ccp makes thats highly specific but can be used on other ships also. What if another meta will be intoduced and more people will complain about ship that uses these exact modules in that fit? CCP have to get rid of source of problems not the effects of it. This is how you would do that if you had any experience in balancing. What they do they introduce imbalances to keep meta fresh, not to have a good balance. **They work like a doctor that cures symptoms because it makes him more money on longer timespan, while the health of patient suffers and is even sicker from adverse reactions to the drug.** ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/79 "2023-06-14T06:19:50Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > I have experience from using it for years for PvE 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/80 "2023-06-14T06:25:30Z")
Ok, Aiko, how many ships you destroyed while flying a marauder, less than one? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736.md?page=5)