# You killed maraudes!

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [June 10, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736 "2023-06-10T16:00:23Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/81 "2023-06-14T06:26:58Z")

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I’m not a carebear, so I don’t fly carebear ships. Only carebears think they need a big ship to win, and cry endlessly when their big ship isn’t invincible.

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**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/82 "2023-06-14T06:29:56Z")

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> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#):
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> Only carebears think they need a big ship to win, and cry endlessly when their big ship isn’t invincible.

Stop trolling.

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**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/83 "2023-06-14T06:30:14Z")

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I’ll stop “trolling” when you stop whining about your PvE marauder.

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**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/84 "2023-06-14T06:30:44Z")

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My PvP marauder also.

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**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/85 "2023-06-14T06:31:11Z")

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Your killboard is primarily free CCP kills in Yulai…

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**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/86 "2023-06-14T06:32:02Z")

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I know you would like everyone to fly a catalyst and nothing more.

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**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/87 "2023-06-14T06:32:26Z")

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No, only my agents are allowed to fly Catalysts.

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**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/88 "2023-06-14T06:36:04Z")

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> [@Nana\_Skalski](#):
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> Why more people dont use golems in PvP then? Because of how missiles work. Turrets are always preferred in PvP scenario. Before torps come to a target it can be already far away.

And what has this patch changed about missiles? Correct, absolutely nothing.

Not every ship has to shine for every purpose. Golem is still undefeated king of convenient (aka stationary) PvE or Structure Bashing, since you can freely chose damage type and have overwhelming Damage with Rage Torps against big or slow targets. Enjoy that. If you like Fleet PvP, just use another ship. I wouldn’t taky my Paladin out to a Kiting Skimish Gang either… because, you guessed it, it’s too slow and can’t use Bastion that often…

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**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/89 "2023-06-14T06:38:43Z")

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> [@Syzygium](#):
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> Not every ship has to shine for every purpose.

Vargur didnt too.

Now people want to justify what CCP did. While their decisions are not always good, and in this case they adressed not the cause but symptom. You admitted that! You said you wanted ancis to be changed.

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**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/90 "2023-06-14T06:40:22Z")

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> [@Nana\_Skalski](#):
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> It received a hammer to kneecaps

Ok.

I’d like to buy your Vargurs since they are now useless. I’d like a significant discount because they are basically worthless hulls now going by your description. Not good for PvP, nor PvE.

From your description they sound like worse shuttles so the price should be around that. 5k ISK per hull? I can accept the contract later today.

Edit: If you really push, fine, I can pay double a shuttle price. 20,000 ISK per Vargur hull.

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**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/91 "2023-06-14T06:41:40Z")

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> [@Io\_Koval](#):
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> I’d like a significant discount

Pay market price. But I am keeping one for future. When CCP changes devs, or their minds.

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**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/92 "2023-06-14T06:42:39Z")

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Why? Market is overvalued by people who don’t know the TRUE worthlessness of these hulls. You know the truth. By your own admission, these ships are kneecapped and worthless now for any activity.

I’ve already quadrupled my price to 20k.

I’m putting _my_ money where _your_ mouth is.

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**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/93 "2023-06-14T06:47:33Z")

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> [@Io\_Koval](#):
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> don’t know the TRUE worthlessness

They pay billions for a digital clothing they will not even wear in portrait, they really don’t know if you didnt notice.

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**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/94 "2023-06-14T06:50:18Z")

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Exactly! So does that mean we have a deal?

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**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/95 "2023-06-14T07:05:23Z")

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> [@Nana\_Skalski](#):
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> Vargur didnt too.

Vargurs are absolutely Ship-of-Choice to throw on Smallgangs or WH fights or to escalate if someone was tackled. And they still will be.

> [@Nana\_Skalski](#):
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> You admitted that!

I can only admit what I have done wrong. What crazy thinking goes on in your mind?

> [@Nana\_Skalski](#):
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> You said you wanted ancis to be changed.

I would support a change for the sake of following KISS rules. One Ancillary Module per Ship, plain and simple. They can balance them around charges/loadcapacity, effectivity, fitting requirements whatever. But dual- or triple-ancillary fits are - in my opinion - way too good compared to the benefits of only being allowed to fit one ancillary repper.

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**Author:** ![Etsaki\_Hilanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etsaki_hilanen/32/354806_2.png) [@Etsaki\_Hilanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etsaki_Hilanen)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/96 "2023-06-14T10:21:40Z")

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> [@Syzygium](#):
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> Who tells you it is written in stone that Triple Ancillary Shield Booster fits will be allowed forever? If they are aware of the problem they might act on it sooner or later.

Beside the fact that it never was a ‘problem’ and no balance was needed.

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**Author:** ![Etsaki\_Hilanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etsaki_hilanen/32/354806_2.png) [@Etsaki\_Hilanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etsaki_Hilanen)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/97 "2023-06-14T10:26:35Z")

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> [@Syzygium](#):
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> Not every ship has to shine for every purpose.

Seems to me ccp thinks so…started with the myr years ago…Nerfing a drone carrier FOR WHAT IT IS BUILD FOR(carrying drones)!!!  
CCP wants every ship to be equal,no let’s better say ccp wants people to only fly ONE ship with identical attributes all over the table…that’s their wet dream and that’s why they ‘balance’ all this crap out of ships…

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**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/98 "2023-06-14T10:27:41Z")

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It’s true, CCP only wants people to fly one ship with one module, the existence of other ships is all an inexplicable mistake.

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**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/99 "2023-06-14T10:35:08Z")

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killing marauders

> **[Vargur | Prospektor Schipplock | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/109615293/)**
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> Prospektor Schipplock (EDENCOM Section 7) lost their Vargur in Poinen (The Forge). Final Blow by She's on Fire (The Church of Maplefox of Latter-Day Saints) flying in a Naga. Total Value: 3,256,976,819.68 ISK

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**Author:** ![Alexander\_Minto\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alexander_minto_hughes/32/511046_2.png) [@Alexander\_Minto\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexander_Minto_Hughes)\
**Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/you-killed-maraudes/408736/100 "2023-06-14T10:51:24Z")

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> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#):
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> How you suppose i should fight EWAR rats???

Sniper mode duh!

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