# zKilloard. Is this legal? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 30, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203 "2018-09-30T14:29:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Norian\_Rever](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/norian_rever/32/99362_2.png) [@Norian\_Rever](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Norian_Rever)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/1 "2018-09-30T14:29:03Z")
Is this legal? You can make payments to zKillboardthat will remove ads when you are logged in. - Even if you run AdBlock (I am ok with that) it is a nice gesture. - You can be ad free on zKillboard…com - Each month of ad free time costs **5,000,000** ISK. - Every 6 months you purchase in one lump sum will give you a bonus month! - There is no limit to how much you can send either. Yes, I got asked that. To make a payment: - Send ISK to the character zKillboard (not the corp) in increments of 5,000,000 ISK, e.g., 5000000 (5m), 30000000 (30m), 60000000 (60m). \*Your payment will be detected within 30-60 minutes (api willing) and applied to the account of the character that sent the ISK. - The golden wreck icon ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/7/878c15cf6fb7192db76df122d8678b467054e0a7.png) icon will show under your character on your overview page as long as you have ad free time. - Send 1b ISK and you get a permanent monocle on your character page. - Thank you! Source [https://zkillboard.com/information/payments/](https://zkillboard.com/information/payments/) ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Reinhart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_reinhart/32/133706_2.png) [@Markus\_Reinhart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Reinhart)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/2 "2018-09-30T14:31:49Z")
What are the chances that you’re an alt of that clown who threatened to sue because he didn’t like his killboard padding show up on Zkill? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/3 "2018-09-30T14:54:49Z")
Why would it be illegal? ---
**Author:** ![Square\_Root\_Negative-One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/square_root_negative-one/32/147850_2.png) [@Square\_Root\_Negative-One](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Square_Root_Negative-One)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/4 "2018-09-30T15:17:19Z")
I must have missed the part where they’re making money off it. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/5 "2018-09-30T15:28:43Z")
Making money isnt illegal tho. Especialy if it is ISK from game. ---
**Author:** ![Norian\_Rever](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/norian_rever/32/99362_2.png) [@Norian\_Rever](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Norian_Rever)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/6 "2018-09-30T16:39:02Z")
> Send me isk. > Receive IRL value. > Makes money off ads, if visitor does not use ad block software, or pays them isk. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/7 "2018-09-30T16:41:14Z")
What IRL value? In what way is this different from any site using ads? Except you can pay them away with isk instead of money? ---
**Author:** ![Norian\_Rever](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/norian_rever/32/99362_2.png) [@Norian\_Rever](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Norian_Rever)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/8 "2018-09-30T16:43:42Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Except you can pay them away with isk instead of money? **The owner earns IRL cash from the ads.** He then also earns isk from someone paying him in isk, to not have ads, for providing data he has not paid for in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/9 "2018-09-30T16:53:50Z")
So does every website with ads. ---
**Author:** ![Square\_Root\_Negative-One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/square_root_negative-one/32/147850_2.png) [@Square\_Root\_Negative-One](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Square_Root_Negative-One)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/10 "2018-09-30T16:56:00Z")
[[https://community.eveonline.com/community/fansites/submit/terms/](https://community.eveonline.com/community/fansites/submit/terms/)] - Use the Property in relation to any commercial activity. This includes, for example, paying a printer to print some flyers, obtaining sponsorship, or selling non-CCP Games materials using CCP’s trademarks. T **his shall not prevent websites from using revenues from banner ads to cover the costs of the website operation, as long as such advertising is not the primary purpose of the website in question** and advertisements are in compliance with the EVE Online End User License … They can say the ISK has “real life value”, but that doesn’t make it a violation. ---
**Author:** ![Square\_Root\_Negative-One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/square_root_negative-one/32/147850_2.png) [@Square\_Root\_Negative-One](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Square_Root_Negative-One)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/11 "2018-09-30T16:57:26Z")
I can’t seem to find it, but I also recall reading somewhere that they can’t gate services for real-life money, which isn’t happening here. ---
**Author:** ![Norian\_Rever](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/norian_rever/32/99362_2.png) [@Norian\_Rever](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Norian_Rever)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/12 "2018-09-30T17:24:58Z")
> [@Square\_Root\_Negative-One](#): > > This shall not prevent websites from using revenues from banner ads to cover the costs of the website operation, as long as such advertising is not the primary purpose of the website in question\*\* Seems to me the purpose of the website is to generate ad revenue, and charge in isk, which CCP owns all of, to not generate that ad revenue. ---
**Author:** ![Square\_Root\_Negative-One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/square_root_negative-one/32/147850_2.png) [@Square\_Root\_Negative-One](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Square_Root_Negative-One)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/13 "2018-09-30T17:27:38Z")
“Seems to you” being the operative phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/14 "2018-09-30T17:28:17Z")
And you’ve reported it to CCP then, right? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/15 "2018-09-30T17:33:02Z")
> [@Norian\_Rever](#): > > Seems to me the purpose of the website is to generate ad revenue, and charge in isk… to not generate that ad revenue. Wait. Wait you are asserting that the purpose of this website is not to generate actual money but isk? You do know you can spend Money and get isk, right? ---
**Author:** ![Keno\_Skir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keno_skir/32/460582_2.png) [@Keno\_Skir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keno_Skir)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/16 "2018-09-30T17:40:52Z")
> [@Norian\_Rever](#): > > Is this legal? Yeah. Move along 😐 ---
**Author:** ![Norian\_Rever](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/norian_rever/32/99362_2.png) [@Norian\_Rever](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Norian_Rever)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/17 "2018-09-30T17:45:15Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Wait. Wait you are asserting that the purpose of this website is not to generate actual money but isk? Isk is revenue. > [@Square\_Root\_Negative-One](#): > > T **his shall not prevent websites from using revenues from banner ads to cover the costs of the website operation, as long as such advertising is not the primary purpose of the website in question** ---
**Author:** ![Square\_Root\_Negative-One](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/square_root_negative-one/32/147850_2.png) [@Square\_Root\_Negative-One](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Square_Root_Negative-One)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/18 "2018-09-30T17:46:12Z")
“Isk is revenue.” Isk is not real money. It doesn’t qualify. I’m sorry, but you wouldn’t make a very good space lawyer. Edit: In-game Isk, anyway ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/19 "2018-09-30T17:46:56Z")
> [@Norian\_Rever](#): > > Isk is revenue. > [@Norian\_Rever](#): > > This shall not prevent websites from using revenues… So by your own argument, CCP has no problem with this. ---
**Author:** ![Norian\_Rever](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/norian_rever/32/99362_2.png) [@Norian\_Rever](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Norian_Rever)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203/20 "2018-09-30T17:51:53Z")
Isk revenue cannot cover site costs, regardless of ads. Isk revenue, is revenue. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/zkilloard-is-this-legal/110203.md?page=2)