A suggestion to make gameplay healthier. CCP please read this

Sir you might have misunderstood the point. I’ve proposed one player to be playing one character at a time. And I doubt there is only one PC at CCP office, so they ALL have to wait for their turn.

Really liked the drawing tho xD

That would mean EVE became great again :grin:

I think the issue they’re trying to point out is:

How do you determine ‘one player’?

What if it is just one player with two computers using two different email addresses? Or one player with one computer using multiple virtual machines?

You quickly get to territory that you need to allow only one player per IP address, but a VPN avoids that. And any other way to stop one player from logging in with multiple accounts will actually stop others from that same household to log in at the same time.

In other words, CCP_Hellmar needs to wait for CCP_Rise to finish playing because they’re trying to play from one building.

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Yes, my post was in jest, but more seriously, how does your suggestion get achieved?

Anyone can run multiple VMs, each with their own client, so they look like different computers. So even if CCP limited an individual installation to only launching once, multiple VMs, each with their own client allow any of us to easily bypass that restriction.

Thank you for your reply. I really liked you point, thank you for adding up.
Although the first item doesn’t seem very convincing (about buying a carrier/mothership = wanting to have allies near, no, you just need to be in a friendly space/system for safe ratting, if you’re not afk), your other ideas are pretty clear, and I can only agree to them.
There is definitely more than one way to discourage multi-boxing abuse. Though doing things your way can hold up some…ummm…“active” activities, but putting the straight ceiling on number of accounts you can run can prevent people from doing “passive” activities too. As an example I can give multi-boxing “lamp” droppers. I’ve already spoken about it in the CSM subsection.
In conditions when you can run only one account (or maybe even two!), you normally wouldn’t want to just waste your time as a “lamp”, so either you should be well-rewarded for this or motivated in some other way, so seeing a bit network of “eyes” or spies would be actually a rare thing. But in the current state just one nerdy guy can run 50+ windows of lamps and can sell drops of people…you, your mates for a nominal fee.

I don’t say my way is the only one, I just want the problem solved one way or another :man_shrugging:

yes, you and Scipio Artelius both right. This is a delicate question and should be adressed properly.
I am not a specialist, but my work and hobby lies in IT sphere, so, from what I know now, it can’t be achieved without some breakthrough idea (like…maybe when you need to enter your passport data to buy a game, and then you receive it with some digital signature that is needed/checked when you log in), but even in these circumstances if people could only multibox using another PC, and/or VMs the multi-boxing abuse will be dractically decreased unlike now when anyone can run as much windows as his rig allows to.

I don’t think it can be addressed at all, not in a reasonable way at least. You can say ‘multiboxing is against the rules’, but you can’t follow up on it without banning friends who play from the same address.

Also, multiboxing in EVE will always be a huge benefit, so people will keep doing it even if you were to ban it. Just like it’s impossible to stop all bots and all RMT. What you need to do with these kinds of things that you do not like, is to discourage it as much as possible.

(Not that I say multiboxing is on the same level as RMT or botting! I personally think multiboxing has a place in this game, but could be toned down a bit)

You need to approach the problem from a different direction: How can I discourage multiboxing?

Right now multiboxing is a benefit. But what if CCP makes solo play much more efficient compared to multiboxing by requiring more attention from the player? A player only can divide their attention so many ways before multiboxing becomes inefficient and not worth it.

Unfortunately its impossible for CCP to hard enforce this as people will just use multiple computers + proxies and such to get around those.

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I procrastinated answering, and forgot about you.

I’m not sure how to say it… I think you bring up good arguments, and can understand why people would feel as you do, even if I don’t necessarily agree with them.

For example, I do agree that smaller groups can and should use skill to compete with larger groups. However, I regard multiboxing as one of those skill based options. I also think that it helps to counter the n+1 strat.

I also understand that there is developer intent behind content (i.e. designed for solo or groups), and that going against developer intent can cause issues (i.e. unsustainable economic activity and balance ramifications). However, I also do not believe that content must only be engaged with in the way that developers intended. Outside of Eve we have things like speedrunning, sequence breaking, and cooperative play dominating an MMO designed for competitive play. And in Eve, the devs never intended for players to live inside of WH’s, but that’s what they did. And I believe that the game is better for it. Thus, I don’t consider it fundamentally wrong for players to engage with content in ways that weren’t intended by the devs. The question is whether or not the game is better or worse off for it. And when it comes to multiboxing, I feel like it’s a mixed bag. What I will say, however, is that I underestimated just how strongly a lot of players were opposed to it. And I think this matters because it can have an effect on player acquisition and retention.

Argh, I can’t find a sauce, but I once read an article about an MMO (super hero themed, iirc) that was designed for competitive play between factions. However, the players overwhelmingly played cooperatively, regardless of what faction they belonged to.

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