Yes yes we’ve heard all this from you before. As soon as it becomes clear you can’t deflect or derail the conversation away from actual concrete points about modifying PvP in some areas of the game, you start muttering and grumbling about “dark forces” trying to “take PvP out of EVE” and “twisting the game to their own benefit” and that’ “you’re onto them, everybody knows what’s happening here”.
Well at least you’re consistent - you support your arguments with made-up numbers and false facts and your conclusions with made-up fake conspiracies.
At any rate, feel free to let me know how these points are indicative of trying to take PvP out of EVE:
FW should be based on kills and destruction, less bottable plexing.
Resource Wars should be a viable activity for small gang/introductory fleet PvP
NPE should make a point of introducing players to some form of PvP and highlighting that they will die, they will lose ships, that’s why they’re immortal and ships are replaceable
Low sec should feature something like the Emerging Conduits content that provides an extra incentive for both PvE and PvP in low sec
PvP should feature some sort of progress incentive for players who make an honest stab at it. Doesn’t have to be ISK, but just something so that they feel even a loss is contributing to some sort of goal.
Other than specific improvements, leave other PvP the way it is. Ganking, N+1, whatever.
There are plenty of other things I’ve suggested, but those will do for now. I’d like to hear how these will remove PvP from the game and/or twist the game towards my own nefarious ends. Which apparently includes a firm commitment to never ever participate in PvP for any reason no matter what, just because I’m using an old alt to post with.
Sadly, you’re back to your usual strawman defense. You may have missed the parts about leaving the rest of PvP the way it is. If you enjoy it, fine keep doing it. The discussion is about getting other people to do it as well.
Not sure why that frightens you into all this made-up babble and hand-waving, but it clearly does.
Even if EVE goes this road, there are other possibilities and we now have some hints of what won’t work.
Look, I don’t know all aspects of EVE or even just the PVP part. All I have is an opportunity and an arsenal but even that, I consider non-sufficient to just give up and let it be. I want more. But I cannot come up with other options because of my lack of knowledge. For example, I have 250M SP and I don’t indy nor capitol hulls. I play the FC drone when needed and gladly get wasted here and there --except when I get Ganked at some unexpected jump no other player falls to–.
At the beginning, I stated that this is more of a discussion to reflect on, than to gather ideas, yes. I wanted to get to the point we are now to then see if other threads could replace this one but with ideas discussion in detail. I’ve realized I can’t do that, again because I don’t know that much. So I’ve changed my mind and now want to see other proposals here.
Ok I see where you are coming from, the only thing I can suggest is that you get yourself out there and make some friends and build your experience and knowledge.
I’m an adventurous sort of player and I am open to you coming to Stain where we can be mission buddies and expand our circle of friends. We can make a blue agreement and scout for each other doing missions and then wait for the pvp to come and defend our operation by any means possible.
Trust me, you and I talking on here and forming such an agreement is enough to drive some great pvp experiences. We can get a few more pilots involved and aggressively spam level 4 missions and take out all our anger and frustration on the people who would dare attack us and disrupt our sacred missioning ritual!
I’m unsure if you have worked with others before, it seems as if you have. But there is greatness in a group of cool guys playing eve together on comms talking about life. This is actually one of the biggest goals of Eve online, I believe they have promoted friendship a lot over the years which I really like. Excuse my candour but there is a sadness in my heart when I realize I may not hear from some old friends again. For that reason alone I will always play Eve, just incase old friends come back I want to be here to receive them.
What I would give to have a group of cool guys out here in stain calmly discussing missions, pvp, action plans and executing it nicely. So yes generally get yourself some cool friends, My door is open to anyone really, come to stain you and I will be blue and share an epic adventure and we will both make a friend
I am, very aware of this, and it would be correct to say that CCP ignored it for many years until Endie who was CEO of the main ganking Goon corp suddenly pushed it after AG started ganking the wrecks with a single destroyer and got it changed very quickly while it had been ignored for years previously.
And that is fact, you go back and look at just how long this issue had been raised prior to this event and the immediate change once it affected ganking.
And there is a great post by CCP Fozzie talking about suddenly applying the DCU bonus to freighters to balance off against something, and that was in fact the increase of wreck EHP, because he suddenly realised that he had been had!
And I should point out that this was the only time that AG had a level playing field. By the way, you should also note that I was involved in pushing people to gank wrecks and had finally found a group of people who were willing to do it as AG players. Yeah Aaron, I know all about this event, you don’t.
I was just about to get seriously involved with AG, and when CCP did that I backed off and said no way, it is a loaded dice. Which is why I call AG a resistance movement only, because they are not just resisting gankers, but CCP developers too.
Damn, I keep trying to forget this bullshite event, LMAO
PS I don’t get annoyed with this event anymore because it was a long time ago in the past, but it is still amusing to mention it as it shows just how weak most gankers really are. I mean you would not have begged CCP to change it would you?
Did I not specify my lack of detailed knowledge about EVE’s inner clockwork? -sorry-
Somehow I concluded that it takes more than just playing EVE to mass the required knowledge to structure viable ideas.
And… you don’t know that you don’t know me in game.
Remember Xucca is my PR on the forums, just in case someone dares to lift my skirt.
But I’ll see about that proposal of yours. I’ve met some here… --they don’t know it either-- in game… curious thing… cux some dragons are just kittys in their very real virtual toons.
I see, it’s a difficult one I will say. I guess more skill/firepower is needed to pop the loot and achieve the same result. Do you recall how much more time it gave the gankers to scoop the loot?
I remember popping an officer loot wreck in UF-KKH, I knew I would never be able to steal it so opted for destroying it and denying the opponents. It only took one volley of torps.
Not sure. Which character is it? Aiko Danuja, Aiko Danuja Scum, Aiko Danuja Piss, or Aiko Danuja Slut?
That’s like in the boonies. I used to hang out in the north-western area that could be reached from empire with a single jump. Don’t have a JF anymore though.
It’s not even the boonies, it’s like the butthole of Stain. Next to zero activity. Virtually zero PVP activity.
Now I know why half his PvP fights look like duels… because he’s hiding in a part of Stain that sees no actual PvP.
Ah well, he loves him some PvP though, he does. Craves it. Goes out of his way to engage. So out of his way, in fact, that he ended up in a region where it never happens.
Yep, that’s some mighty good PvP happenin’ out there…
You’re really bad at Eve online, seriously, You don’t even get that a dangerous area with limited people tend to be of a high skill level, so they will scout and use ships that are immune from bubbles. and limit their losses to almost nothing.
As many have mentioned in this very thread, avoiding bubbles and gatecamps is a good skill to have, many of us have been doing it for a good 10 years or more so we’re going to be good at it. If you’re only judging an area on the amount of kills there are then that might be where you’re going wrong, because I see roaming gangs and bait ships flying past all day. I just wish there were a few brave pilots on my side so I could challenge them.
But then we get back to the perennial issue of whether 10 seconds worth of a dozen Catalysts smashing some Proc that cannot even respond back is even PvP.
If people insist it is, then by definition they are admitting that merely undocking from a station and subjecting oneself to that risk is a PvP act. It means the mere act of mining, for example, is actually PvP.
People can’t have it both ways ( though this is Eve and that seems to be par for the course ). If hunting people is PvP…then by definition being the hunted is PvP too. Thus everyone who undocks is engaging in PvP whether wilfully or not.
1, Why wasn’t the group of catalysts already set red?
2, Why were the reds not noticed when you started mining?
3, Why did you not notice the catalysts coming into the system?
3a, Why did you not get safe?
4, Why was the proc not fitted for tank?
6, Are you aware that you and others can remote rep the proc and increase the time it takes for the catalysts to destroy you?
7, Are you aware that you can dual box 2 characters and have a character that does nothing but remote rep which could be an asset to you and your mining buddies?
8, Are you aware you and your mining group can train drones that rep shield and each of the group can carry 1 or 2 of them and deploy them when a buddy is attacked? This would further increase the time it takes for the Catalysts to kill you.
9, Are you aware that If the Catalysts take too long to kill you then they go pop instead of you?
This is PVP, please do not let anyone tell you differently.
But your questions only serve to exemplify the way responses here oscillate back and forth and people try to have things both ways…
You ask why the Catalysts are not set to red. Yet someone else demanded that the Catalysts ( yeah…all those alleged -10 status guys ) warp in only after the scout has marked the spot. That being the case…how would one even know from d-scan that a dozen Catalysts were about to show up, if they entered the system outside of d-scan range ?
Of course I have ganker groups set to bad standing, and thus red in Local. But then you get Destiny sarcastically arguing there can’t be ‘that many’ gankers…whilst at the same time she argues use standings to identify who the gankers are. Talk about doublethink !
As for multiboxing…I already question what the (bleep) I am doing spending as much as I do on Eve. Why would I want to spend more just so I can come rescue myself ? The cost of the extra subscriptions far outweighs the loss of the odd ship now and then.
And you sort of missed my point, which was that if ganking is PvP…then by definition ( as one becomes the other ‘P’ in ‘PvP’ ) mining is a PvP activity. If one is ‘the hunted’ all the time, then by definition one is engaged in PvP all the time !
Dude you know people can use Zkill and Dotlan, right? You know that it’s easy to see you’re just a few systems shy of the farthest possible system you can be in in Stain, right? That there’s no kills there, haven’t been for months, and the jump activity is next to nothing?
You aren’t watching “roaming gangs fly around all day”. And the reason you haven’t got a “few brave pilots” on your side is because you’re hanging out in the ass end of nowhere where nothing happens, fondling a couple memories of PvP you engaged in 5 years ago.
I’m sure that’s very satisfying for you, but the thread is actually about looking at making more PvP and destruction happen across a slightly wider horizon than your little retirement home.
We live in a wonderful universe, do your best to position yourself strategically, if you mine with others see if some of them can dual box and keep an alt 2 or 3 jumps out in every direction. so if there are only 2 possible entries to your mining system then put an alt a couple of jumps out and get safe the moment one of the scouts see a group of destroyers…Give the scouts some isk at the end of the operation.
Look, you grew up watching the same sci-fi films I did. Can’t you see that swooping in and saving yourself is an epic move??!! If you don’t want to dual box, get yourself into a mining group where somone can dual box and swoop in and save folks, Make sure whoever does it is fully supported with everything they need.
No, this thread is about getting pilots like yourself to understand the game better and be in a position to contribute more to pvp and enjoy it. This really is a tough game but it can be very enjoyable if you have the right mindset.
in best Viola Davis impression ain’t you tired? You keep hawking this narrative even after getting disproven so many times. There are a ton of mechanics and metas that help AG, IF you choose to use them.
Already posted a frig fleet fit, which you never responded to it cause it destroys your narrative, that is cheaper than the catas and you get to keep the ships if they are FR.
You can AG with frig fleet with alpha and do just as well
Any argument you attempt to make about HS ganking is null due to one fact, local. Now if we had blackout for all systems, which I am in favor of, then you’d have a leg to stand on.
Ahh thanks for giving yourself away again
You can literally add all the ganker alliances to bad standings. You’ll see the red minus sign in local ad know they are in system. Hell, if you avoid gal/cal/Hek, you are already mostly safe.
We get you’re arguing in bad faith, but sheesh do better.
Yep. When you undock you consent to PvP
Wut are you even saying bruv LOL. Local by itself gives you an enormous amount of advantage. I would argue all you need is local.
People already outlined that exact sentiment in this post.
Please learn to read and EVE kthx.
You answer your own question. You already know they are in system. If you didn’t safe up, you deserve the death that’s coming. You already acknowledge the power of local. Thankee for pwning yourself.
