Production is steadily trending downward. We must be operating on different definitions of the word âbetterâ.
This. Better does not need âmoreâ.
Also when all the stuff is cheaper, of course the total value created decreases. This does not mean itâs worse.
Negative growth in productions far from an indicator of health. More is not necessarily better, thats true, however in this case the continuous downward spiral indicates not only is individual production down which this change was explicitly intended to cause but also that the intended beneficiaries of this change havent stepped up to fill in the holes. Thats objectively bad, and bad for literally everyone. Notice destruction is on a downward slide as well. That indicates, at least, two things. One, there are less people playing the game, and two those that are are fewer and further between. Honorable mention being everyone is being entirely more risk averse since the ships they want to fly are not replacable by their own hand.
Apparently my memory is longer than yours. Phantasms used to run ~80m built. Prior to this change that is. Thats just one example.
Negative growth in market value .
Thatâs objectively good, and good for literally everyone.
(Yes, I take your sentence that mean nothing but your opinion and use them the other way because you are making stupid propaganda)
No it indicates nothing.
Value of destruction is based on value of market. This graph does not show anything about activity, solely about market Stop jumping to conclusions, this is nonsense.
Apparently my memory is longer than yours. marauders used to run 2B a build. Phantasm were barely used, and the fact that one item increased does not invalidate that the global price decreased.
Would; there is nothing wrong with this picture, be a fair summation of your stance on this topic?
I actually have no stance in that topic, and I actually believe there may be some issues.
However, jumping to conclusions and spamming nonsense like he does is far from explaining anything, but his stupidity
He literally uses literally for no reason. His posts are full of exaggeration, of misunderstandings, of using one word for another thing (here he used âbetterâ when he meant âmore expensiveâ). His posts are a â â â â show of spodbrain entitled crybaby propaganda.
Oh I like you.
more or less than
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Unless you are actually Robert Plant less than but you shouldnt take it personally.
Jumping to conclusion has always been the issue.
Jumping to conclusion makes you believe your opinion is a fact. Itâs not.
Interpretations, theories, opinions are not fact. Those made by jumping to conclusion (that is claiming an interpretation is correct because itâs yours) are still not fact.
The only facts here are : CCP made a change, then partially reverted it. It âbeing stupidâ is your opinion, and it âgatekeepingâ is your interpretation.
And they both are wrong. Maybe gatekeeping the faction ships was their goal, for a reason. Whether you like or not that reason does not mean it does not exist, so does not mean itâs stupid.
Maybe actually people did not build faction ships from BPC at all, instead used a different LP store which did not âgatekeep behind moon ownershipâ production but instead make it super expensive due to hauling costs.
You complaining about CCP making the building less worth for your is you showing entitlement. And claiming your opinions are fact is spodbrain.
Iâll just leave that there for now.
Now youâre speculating, but do elaborate on this âreasonâ you speak of. Also see previous quote.
If that were the case, and i do know for a fact that it was not, why even make this change at all? Why not jack up the lp store prices instead? Because they just donât want YOU to be able to build your own faction hulls anymore. Every aspect of this change pushed the money to the established industrial powerhouses that can actually build them. The bpc are down 25-80% while the ships are up 2/3/400% in some cases. Where did that value go? To the groups that control the moon goo and low/null refineries. If you wanted to get back into this thing that youâve always just done you have to plant, core, fuel, and defend multiple structures. Pass, and if you want to call that âentitlementâ go ahead. I just want us all to have what weâve always had. Remember this is not in response to some hairbrained change made like rorqs, weâve always been able to do this since launch. Lets not forget they also added the same constraints to actual T1 Battleships. That meets my definition of stupid quite easily.
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Build me a daredevil from bpc without the involvement of these elements. Itâs literally impossible. Making my previous statement factual, and yours nonsense.
I donât care about the monetary value. My personal investment here is this is how myself and my corpmates built our stockpile of faction ships we used for pvp. We no longer do either of those things, because this change made it impossible, I have faction cruisers littered all over new eden from running ded sites and building the ships right there in system or next door. Being as mobile as i was and still able to produce these ships is not âless worthâ itâs impossible.
No Iâm not.
Again, the issue is that you donât know what âfactâ is.
Your opinion is not fact.
Fact : some people (including me) used the LP store to build faction ships. So your opinion is not only ânot factâ, but also stupid as it contradicts reality. You are living in your delusions, where your opinion is fact. Wake up, this is not reality. This is stupidity.
You are swithcing the goalpost. Nobody cares.
Yet thatâs all there is in the graph you presented. If you donât care about monetary value, then donât show a graph about monetary value.
This post alone shows that you are a hypocrit.
That has always been the goal. Read back to the top even before this â â â â went live. Itâs always been about being able to do what we could always do.
Some people did, vasty more bought much cheaper and easier to move bpc and built them wherever they wanted. Less but still more than bought built ships ran ded sites for bpcs and built from those wherever they happened to be. That was my game and this change killed it. Fact.
The plummeting monetary value combined with the skyrocketing prices strongly indicates a lack of production volume. Not 100%, but combine that with our memory of markets before and a cursory glance at the markets now and it becomes clear very quickly. The best part? We predicted this exact outcome.
Enjoy your empty universe troll o/
No it was not in your previous post. You just start now moving from âindustry is worseâ to âyou canât build a BPC without Xâ
Thatâs switching the goalpost.
Therefore your opinion that it did not happens is wrong, which is my point. Thank you for acknowledging your opinion is stupid.
No it does not indicate anything.
So itâs almost been a year. Do people understand how âresidueâ works yet, or do people still think CCP is sneaking into their cargo hold and stealing ore?
That was the mining change, not the industry change. Some have figured out that the ore is vaped from the roids and not their holds, however they still see it as a loss since it cant be captured without t1 gear.
That sounds like opinion rather than fact. Maybe you should refrain from calling people out on jumping to conclusions when you do so yourself. The âFACTâ that CCP partially reverted the change would concur with it being at the least being initially too much and at the most âbeing stupidâ and only partly reverting it to save face. At the very least @Ranar_Linyne was within the boundaries while in your humble âOPINIONâ he was wrong, which isnât within the boundaries, so therefore heâs actually more likely to be correct than you.
Not at all : Thatâs deduction from his affirmation.
He is wrong, not because is conclusion is wrong, but because the assumption he makes are wrong.
Being right for the wrong reason, is being wrong. So even in the case where his conclusion would be correct, he would still be wrong.
Again, I have no opinion on the conclusion. Itâs possible there are issues, and itâs also possible there are none.
No, he was assuming things that were factually wrong. So he was definitely wrong, and his opinion is the stupid one as it contradicts reality.
Firstly Iâm not saying either of you are right or wrong.
OK, @Ranar_Linyne, based on the graph, said that Production value is steadily trending downwards. You said that this was down to âall the stuff is cheaperâ. As you consider this a FACT, please can you provide the necessary information to back this up.
Iâd like to pick up on this too:
" Negative growth in market value ." - âThatâs objectively good, and good for literally everyone.â
How can that be good for literally everyone? Can you elaborate on how this can be good for producers & miners (based on it being because of cheaper prices, lower volume or a mixture of both) ? Can you also explain how, for the health of Eve in the long term, annoying a key part of the community is good?