CSM meeting

[Dom_Arkaral]

@Ash_Beldrulf

An Ore Industrial Command ship need to be in the middle of fleet and in the middle of the belt to give maximum boosting coverage

nothing wrong with that
drones don’t need any more speed

@Ash_Beldrulf

he bumping mechanic is broken

nope

@Ash_Beldrulf

Solution - Unknown but I would think going suspect.

even more nope
UNLESS you want 4-4 to be flashy yellow 24/7

@Ash_Beldrulf

The issue with the Industrial ships, Transport ships, Freighters, Mining Barges, Exhumers and Mining Frigates are all a little different from ship to ship

that’s the point… diversity… holy wow

@Ash_Beldrulf

All of the ships are no where close to the same power level of any combat ships in New Eden

because they’re not combat ships… how convenient

@Ash_Beldrulf

Before this patch if you hit a Freighter with a webber the Freighter would instantly warp even if it was unaligned.

it still works…

@Ash_Beldrulf

Modulated Strip Miners II cost a lot and us a mining crystal charge that is specific to the ore that is being mined. The Modulated Strip Miner II has the same cycle time as it’s tech I counter part and only increase the mining amount by 8% at most.

8% without crystal… lul

@Ash_Beldrulf

I have seen -10 standing characters still ganking in High Sec space. Gankers are free to travel around high sec in pods even at -10 standing and free to continue to gank.

nothing wrong with that, also, lowseccers also have the right to go into highsec whenever they please. so you’d lock out more than you originally planned (I’m so surprised /s)

@Ash_Beldrulf

Since I have been playing I saw the old war dec mechanic used to extort aka strong arm robbing players in the game. I saw small corps selectively targeted for this activity. I thought once the war dec mechanic was changed that is would slow down because of social only corps but it has not. I have spoken with many social only corps that are still be targeted by gankers and bumpers for the purpose of extortion aka strong arm robbery. I have seen the extortionists follow these small corp around for a week and laughing about being able to drive players from the game.

no place is safe, working as intended

@Ash_Beldrulf

NPC miners mine way too much

kill them, problem solved
better even, change belts (ZOMG THE EFFORT REQUIRED)

all in all, you sound like a bot-aspirant with all your safety requests
dismissed

[Dragos_Highwind]

I’ll give some constructive feedback unlike the inevitable trol… he’s fast got it up before I even finished this sentence.

1. The Orca has 5 mid slots, if your own output is a concern then sacrifice a slot for drone speed. Unfortunately, a change of this nature just increase the capability of a afk solo drone miner which is a bad thing.

2. Agreed. When people constantly ask if a exploited tactic is legal and ticks people off, it may want to be looked at.

3. Agreed a balance/redesign pass is likely needed. Since newer players are often drawn to some of these role it can be a killjoy to find out the lack of usefulness of some of the ships or lack of progression in others.

4. That sounds like a glitch was fixed. Putting it back in would be a bit counter productive to bug fighting.

5. The cost of the modules is in line, the problem is other options made from over farmed resources have become extremely cheap. Making a T2 variant stronger just makes the T1 module cheaper, creating a creep cycle of cost vs power. Having mining modules be made of salvaging material may help normalize the prices more for example.

6. Agreed that the consequences for pirates in highsec are a little odd. Not being arrested on site when landing at an NPC station is a head scratcher. I’d prefer to see neg rating pilots be actively hunted NPCs in high sec space.

7. Ransoming and renter tactics will never go away. However addressing 2 and 6 help remove tools.

8. This is already being addressed in the war deck changes.

9. The NPC miners (to my knowledge) were added because the lack of competition in belts due to decrease player count left huge amounts of ore to be mined by “safe” miners. They implemented them to drive players toward other sectors in search of higher mining profits. This is their purpose, removing mass quantity of ore.

However, the time zone discrepancy is indeed a thing. Since they spawn at 6am EST that’s 12 hours of not only NPCs but PCs chipping away at the available pockets. The optimal answer is have the asteroids spawn like anomolies throughout the day, but I’m guessing that is a coding limitation.

[Brisc_Rubal]

@Steve_Ronuken

I suspect that ore composition thing is about putting more mexallon into nullsec ores.

Considering that it’s a design feature to stop the region being entirely self sufficient, I don’t support it.

Lemme dig it up, but I remember it being something along the lines of removing isogen from Spudomain, adding something to Ochre, and a few other things. I don’t think it was just a mex buff, although you and I both hear that a lot.

EDIT: Dug it up

1. Remove isogen from Spod
2. Lower pyerite yield from Gneiss
3. Slightly lower pyrerite yield from Spod
4. Add a slight amount of Mex to Ochre to make it more useful

So, yeah, there’s a little mex buff.

Also had a request to require the rest of BCs to use noxcium in their building, as only Caldari ships do now.

[Kiddoomer]

Asteroid belts being transformed into ore anomalies could resolve a good part of the NPC miners problem with downtime (if these npc can go into these anoms that is). That way every miners is annoyed the same and not only people that log in late.

As for mining, first could a 25% nerf to the drone yield of orca be planned, or a nerf to the tank, these ships are a little too much go-to in highsec and way harder to gank than any proper mining ship. And second thing, the retriever/mackinaw ship is sad to see as it is, using a proc/skiff is better solo (way less risks of gank and can kill/tank ns rats), and covetor/hulk is perfect for fleets. The only “convenience” of not warping in/out as much as the others doesn’t have the value of the ships (especially the exhumer).

[Buoytender_Bob]

@Brisc_Rubal
Do you have any rough agenda/topics program already laid out?
Looking to see what you are focused on as a group with the CSM; trying to add only anything else that might be missing (imo). Please keep those lines of communication open; any communication here on these forums beats the EVE version of telephone via reddit/mumble/discord.etc. Thank you.