HAM Loki - Sansha DED 5/6

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I’ve currently started training for the Loki and HAMs to use as a replacement for my Stratios to run low-sec DED 5/6 escalations. I theory-crafted the following fit in EFT and was wondering if there is any more improvements that can be made aside from blinging it out, which I really don’t want to do.

[Loki, Sansha]
Armor Thermal Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Loki Core - Augmented Nuclear Reactor
Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Defense Node

Acolyte II x2
Infiltrator II x3

Republic Fleet EMP M x40
Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile x330
Missile Precision Script x2
Missile Range Script x2

Once fully trained, it will tank 450+ DPS cold and deal 860 DPS cold while costing less than 500 mil. It costs about 100 mil less than my Stratios while also tanking better and doing about 200 more DPS.

My current Stratios fit:

Current Stratios

[Stratios, Sansha]
Core X-Type Armor Thermal Hardener
Core X-Type Armor EM Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
‘Meditation’ Medium Armor Repairer I

Drone Navigation Computer II
Drone Navigation Computer II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

‘Arquebus’ Heavy Beam Laser I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
‘Arquebus’ Heavy Beam Laser I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
‘Arquebus’ Heavy Beam Laser I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
‘Arquebus’ Heavy Beam Laser I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-Thermal Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

Salvage Drone I x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x5
Light Hull Maintenance Bot II x5
Praetor II x4
Curator II x4
Vespa EC-600 x5
Acolyte II x5
Infiltrator II x5

Imperial Navy Multifrequency M x4
Optimal Range Script x1
Imperial Navy Infrared M x4
Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M x4

Currently it takes my Stratios about 50 minutes to complete a Sansha 5/10 which is a long time to be in a site in low-sec. In addition, the final room can be brutal, sometimes forcing me warp out. I’m hoping the Loki can improve significantly on this while being cheaper.

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Tracking enhancer is for guns you want missile guidance enhancer
But you don’t want that anyway fit for 1 weapon type slap 2/3 gyro if all gun or 2/3 bcs if all missiles.

And lay off the drugs it’s showing

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The tracking enhancer is to give the artillery a little bit more range, so I don’t have to orbit the battleships as close.

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Btw you don’t want guns anyway cuz sanshas tracking disrupt just go missiles

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Also what I used to do and other sane people do is shoot the boss/structure in last room first bookmark warp out wait for despawn and collect loot

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Primary DPS is missiles, but that still leaves two empty highs and two extra turret hardpoints, so why not add a couple artys to squeeze out some extra DPS? If you have a better idea for the highs, please let me know, thats why I’m here. As for tracking disruption, there isn’t really much at all in the 5/10 aside from a couple of frigs in the first room. Can’t say for the 6/10 as I haven’t run one yet.

That was what I did in my Stratios, problem was the 3 web towers and all the Sentry Tower IIs. I could speed tank the room and blap the Overseer once the web towers were down, but sometimes the sentry towers would melt me before I could get the web towers and force me to warp out.

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Try heavy missiles maybe to reach further?

So your issue was tank? Loki is naturally resistant to em/therm dmg it’ll tank fine

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I’m not sure what you mean, range has never been an issue.

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Yeah the issue was tank for the last room. I didn’t have to warp out every time, but sometimes the sentries would force me into structure before I could get all 3 web towers down and build up my speed. Even when I manged to finish the 5/10 without having to warp out, it still took about 50 mins to complete which feels way too long.

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This fit can do all sansha lowsec sites including Annex and even Sansha 10/10 with additional EM ward field for last room.

[Loki, Simulated Loki]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II

Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Missile Guidance Computer II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Small Tractor Beam II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II

Loki Core - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Wake Limiter


Acolyte II x8
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[Loki, Low sec DED Sansha]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I

Loki Core - Augmented Nuclear Reactor
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Defense Node
Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Wake Limiter

Acolyte II x2
Infiltrator II x3

Much more EHP, more DPS, still less, than 600 milions.
Or you can have much quicker version, with same tank as yours:
[Loki, Low sec DED Sansha speed]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer, Missile Precision Script
Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Gamma M

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I

Loki Core - Augmented Nuclear Reactor
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Defense Node
Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Wake Limiter

Acolyte II x2
Infiltrator II x3

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Your fits are very interesting and gave me a few ideas, it never even occurred to me try pulse lasers.

A few critiques:
While your fits do greater paper DPS than mine, they lack range and application for the HAMs which might cancel out the extra DPS. I don’t think the first fit even has the range with Javelins to reach the Web towers in the final room. Both fits while still fairly cheap for a T3C, still exceed my 500 mil limit, though I must admit that the tank on the first fit is impressive.

I’ve messed around with your fits in EFT, I’ve downgraded the bling to bring the price under 500 mil and can still get an adequate tank, but the first fit still lacks both range and application. The second fit can have range or application but not both simultaneously.

I’ve taken some ideas from your fits and tweaked my original armor fit.

[Loki, Sansha]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermal Hardener II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Loki Core - Augmented Nuclear Reactor
Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Defense Node

Acolyte II x2
Infiltrator II x3

Scorch M x2
Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile x330
Missile Precision Script x2
Missile Range Script x2

Tanks 476 dps cold, 837 hot and does 903 dps @29.1 km with Rage and 662 dps @52.4 km with Javelin. The precision scripts can also be changed on the fly for optimal should more range be needed. Cap-stable with everything running.

I like the armor fit Loki because it is cheap, allows for both range and application simultaneously, and with the stronger native armor resists still sports a decent tank. Thanks for your fits, I think they helped me to improve my own quite a bit, never would have considered pulse lasers on a Loki.:+1:

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Just wanted to point you out, that serpentis hardeners are dirt cheap atm and one single EM serpentis hardener will allow you to fit federation navy AB, which improves your cap and CPU (your fit requires 1 % implant with all 5 and not cap stable). With those two faction modules you are still under 500 milions and with two capacitor implants you are even cap stable…

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I have a full genolution set, as well as assorted 3% implants, so the fit works for me as is. However it is good to know about the fitting restrictions should I change clones, thx. Right now, I’m trying to see if I can get beams to fit rather than pulses for even more dps.

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Ever tried quad beams ? :slight_smile:

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I don’t think I have ever tried Quad Beams in all my 7 years in EVE.

They seem to fit easily, have more dps than heavy pulses, but have worse range?! And worse tracking, what on earth are used for?

Anyway, I got heavy beams to fit without any adjustment needed to the fit, brings DPS up 927.:grinning:

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Seconding the faction serpentis hardeners. Save on cpu, not expensive for a pve ship, and also are more heat resistant that t2. Don’t they even use less capacitor?

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They don’t use less cap but you are right about the heat resistance. My current clone’s implants don’t require faction hardeners to fit, but if decide to change clones, I will pick a couple faction hardeners.

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Interestingly, if I replace the fourth BCU, with a C3-X BCU, the DPS goes up to 943. I have a decent stack of them from the Guristas event, so I think I’ll use one.

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After a couple months of experimenting with Loki in Sansha DED 5/10s, I’ve decided to relax my no bling rule, and think I’ve come up with one of the most optimal fits.

[Loki, *PVE - DED 5/10 Sansha]
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Core X-Type Armor Thermal Hardener
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
C3-X ‘Hivaa Saitsuo’ Ballistic Control System
C3-X ‘Hivaa Saitsuo’ Ballistic Control System
Missile Guidance Enhancer II

Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Loki Core - Augmented Nuclear Reactor
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Defense Node
Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

Acolyte II x2
Infiltrator II x3

Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile x5000
Mjolnir Javelin Heavy Assault Missile x2500
Imperial Navy Multifrequency M x2
Missile Range Script x2
Missile Precision Script x2
Aurora M x2
Imperial Navy Standard M x2

This fit smashes DED 5/10s, I’m nearly able to finish a full clear in less than 30 mins; I haven’t timed a blitz so I don’t know how much faster it can get. I get ~550 DPS tank cold against Sansha/Blood and do ~990 total DPS cold and ~1,139 hot. I get ~42 km range with Rage and enough application to smash anything down to destroyer size. For frigs I use drones or Javelin missiles, which give me up to ~76 km range.

I love this ship and fit, the only thing I don’t like is the ammo consumption. I have never seen a ship eat through ammo as fast a HAM Loki. It goes though thousands of missiles in a blink of an eye. 1.6 sec ROF is ridiculous, so many wasted volleys, would have much preferred a damage bonus over ROF.

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