Heh, many years ago my friends and I found a way to run multiple trial accounts (before they were alpha accounts) at the same time. I haven’t done it since then but I doubt it has been fixed at all.
THIS IS FAKE NEWS
CCP LOVES THIS!!
IT ARTIFICIALLY INFLATES ACTIVE LOGINS.
IT MAKES EVE APPEAR HEALTHY.
NOT THE HEAD-AND-SHOULDERS DEATH-SPIRAL IT ACTUALLY IS ON FOR PLAYER COUNT.
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@Kaelynne_Rose You forgot… GANKING DRIVES PLAYERS AWAY.
Yeah, though as others pointed out, it is a nice policy… a bit lol at times… depending on what it is, but it comes with clarity. Played too many other games where this was not the case.
They knew at least for a year about this. It’s also stated in the rules that it’s not allowed to login Alpha and Omega at the same time. What they declare is that everyone who abused it up to now, get’s away with it.
No, these possibilities existed already since a long time.
Absolutely agree. Everyone knew that it’s not allowed.
No, it absolutely did work “out of the box” before. I only ran these kinds of tests, nothing that could even smell like a breach of the EULA. Just Mouse + Launcher and there several ways at least a year ago that “out of the box” allowed to login multiple Alphas or Alpha + Omega.
I don’t know wether they fixed it in between, but even so, they knew about this and they already stated that it’s considered against the rules.
It’s not about the people who accidentally logged in two Alphas, but if there have been people using this to make ISK, I say it should be taken away from them.
But isn’t behaviour that breaches the rules considered punishable no matter if the specific method has been outlawed by declaring it an exploit? CCP’s rules around Alphas clearly state that logging in more than one is considered a breach.
Anyway, I’m not asking for bans, but for transparency on the matter. If there were people who abused this to get an advantage, they should feel the consequence. Giving them a free pass is undermining the trust players have in the enforcement of the rules.
If not and if what you say would be the final say, don’t you think this is basically an open invitation for people to find and use new exploits until CCP outlaws them? I mean, fair enough, it could be a game. But players should know that. “Hacking is allowed, until CCP finds out about it. Then it’s not allowed, you need to find a new exploit”. This is how it comes across.
If that was true they could just not fix it and say it’s fine now to multibox alphas.
Please at least put some effort into your artificial outrage
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I used it was kinda funny at times especialy wormhole collapses since the alphas could fly battleships.Used it for Intel too.Why pay omega for a scout next door.
I guy I know used about 7-8 for vni ratting got most of the isk to fit his new titan
Source please. The way they write it it sound like a recent bug in the launcher.
A lot of people don’t read the EULA and I guess if the standard multi-account capable launcher let’s you login multiple alphas without warning then it would be reasonable to let this one off the hook. If people have to deliberately circumvent it with sandboxing etc then it should be punished.
Not reading doesn’t excempt them for responsability 
But yes, it can happen, and even in an honest manner. Which is part of why CCP have relaxed sanctions a while back. Dealing with a lot of influx from people who haven’t grown up with EVE means dealing with different behaviour and expectation patterns.
That said, at times it’s been both. Launcher bugs, patch issues, but also direct technical methods to circumvent manners. I’ve actually reported each type, several times. One of the recent things I encountered on a forum for that last category was the use of cloud gaming platforms to, as it was called there, “prep while running” a multitude of alpha’s. From character creation automation in concurrent proces to running low key pve activity while building them up, also concurrently.
None of it was acted on for ages. Granted, the types traceable to launcher bugs, that I can understand CCP having difficulty to follow up on. But the deliberate running, different case. Yet that too was ignored.
The bugs were actually rare. Very very rare.
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I mean they knew there is an issue with their hooks. I know they knew for about a long time, because I reported several ways to get around the Alpha login restrictions. Fast-clicking was the easiest one, but there were other ways which didn’t require any manipulation beyond clicking doing the “right” thing in the launcher at the right time. What I don’t know, as I think I said before and which might have get lost on the way, is that they might have fixed it and later on it re-appeared after a patch. I don’t know because after reporting it, I didn’t check it again, as I assumed it would absolutely be considered an exploit.
When I tried to prove these people wrong, I found them to be right. So I reported, but didn’t put it out in public. One to avoid further rage, two to not entice people to use the exploit.
Now, I’m not saying this to critisize their work. Mistakes happen, sure. The thing is Alpha login restrictions were one of the very hot topics for people who play Omega at that time. People were near paranoid and easy to get angry over the pure idea that people might circumvent login restrictions and suddenly an Omega account would be worth much less.
Because really, why keep an Omega subscription for a number of alts, if you can just simultaneously log them in as Alpha and have them do their scouting/scanning/whatever job.
Yes absolutely. People who accidentally did this, are not to be punished for CCP’s mistake. I agree.
But what about this:
CCP not only put this into the rules, but wrote several times around the introduction of Alphas that it is not allowed to do this. Yet, people find the exploit, don’t report it and use it to finance their Titans.
That’s taking advantage of an exploit in a way that has a clear influence on the game. Just as was maybe the case with the Praxis miners I remember from your other post @Ima_Wreckyou
At the very least CCP should run a script, checking IP/Launcher ID/char login times against Alpha/Omega state. If they find accounts that repeatedly used the exploit over longer periods of times and had Bounty-income, mined or moved between systems, they should take action. It’s not even punishment to take ISK/assets away, it’s just setting things straight.
P.S.
The gist of this is that many people are able to find their ways around the rules. Maybe not everyone, but many people. A lot of these ways around could be bad for CCP’s business and that could have a negative influence on how much money goes into development. That’s why I think they need to take a strict stance here.
Otherwise, they’re giving the signal that breaking the rules is part of the game and that people who don’t want that or can’t do that, are at a permanent disadvantage. This group of people may be discouraged of playing EVE because of it. Others may feel encouraged to find new ways of breaking the rules in order to get even more advantages.
As interesting as this may be for a social experiment, I’m not sure it’s good for the game.
@CCP_Falcon can you please clear up why you censor this discussion? There was no discussion of any of that in a malicious way. Simply stating that there was an exploit couldn’t possibly be a reason to stop the discussion, because you’ve already published that. Simply stating that people should not get a free pass for breaking the rules, same thing, as you’ve already published it and the EULA is public as well. Neither do I see porn, politics or religion here. Inb4 “discussion of moderation”… I have to accept the closing but it would be really nice to understand the specific reason. Thanks.
Funny how some people seem to believe that it is about anything else but money for ccp…
For the same reason i find it funny how some really can believe that eve is not gonna change to a strictly casual game with ganks and pvp just in low and 0.0…
Every other game on the market goes that way and allows pvp only in special small restricted areas and it is naive to believe eve will not…
But if you remark this the eve consevatives play the big basedrum saying “eve will die without pvp and ganks in high”…
■■■■■■■■…this is just an adaption to the mmog market. swallow it or leave it…
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