Honestly, this is all getting to be a bit of a farce.
Shall we get back to more productive topics?
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Awww, we were having fun, boss.
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Capsuleers piling on another like schoolyard bullies over a difference in perspective? Yeah it is.
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She stole my outfit.
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Mhm.
In any case, all else aside, another heavily-damaged Drifter fleet has appeared. Iâd be very curious to see if we have any leads on what exactly itâs all about, but I suspect we really donât, unless that swirly-ball-of-probably-plasma is involved.
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Amarr Miner structures, sweetie. I know you havenât stuck your head out of the wormhole youâre cowering in very often, but go try to solo an armed and defended Astrahus with a subcap some day.
So how many sacrifices do you consider the cut-off point per dead Drifter then? Yes, I do compare you to the suicide gankers, except those guys donât pretend to have grand motivations beyond loot.
Itâs honestly rather interesting to me how defensive and hostile people are getting over some fairly straight criticism and differing viewpoints. Itâs almost as if something that has the potential for affecting countless baseliners, is currently costing a lot of lives, is something that shouldnât be talked about for some reason.
Sorry ladies and gentlemen, everything gets to be questioned, not just when itâs other people doing things.
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Does your idiocy know no bounds? The destroyers were fielded with weapons only, and those are operated by capsuleers. You do not need any crew to operate navigational and weapons systems on a capsuleer ship, let alone this hilarious accusation of âcosting a lot of livesâ. And even if that were true, you must be absolutely daft if you think youâre going to convince me that anyone would sign on to work on a ship that they knew was going to last no more than five minutes.
No-one is getting hostile at âstraight criticismâ and âdiffering viewpointsâ. If anything, people are getting hostile at blatant stupidity in an attempt to detract from our cause while doing absolutely nothing themselves.
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I reiterate.
Those who wish a peaceful resolution to the Drifter crisis: make your attempt at diplomacy. I laud your enthusiasm, and look forward to word of the results of your action, for better or worse.
All else aside, ARCâs operations will continue as ARC and its assorted patrons, partners, and associates have discussed.
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If I recall correctly, on an earlier observatory mission - some time ago, Iâll add - they would openly aggress any who ventured too close to one of their âunidentifiedâ wormholes. Thatâs without any type of weapons lock or active engagement. Another event comes to mind where they reportedly destroyed a Zephyr-type light-sail ship - one that cannot be armed whatsoever.
Iâd class that as openly hostile, just from that.
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Are you seriously trying to claim you fly crewless? You lot alone in all of New Eden has found a way for capsuleers to fly combat vessels, crewless. Is there no end to the lengths youâre trying to go to, in order to pretend you have no blood on your hands?
Spirits below, this is farcical indeed.
Yeah, I think Iâll continue doing exactly what Iâm doing instead. Iâm leaving the Drifters alone and so far theyâve left me and my people alone. Seems to work out just fine.
And the rest of us remain free to question your choices, especially when they put our people at needless risk. You have no more mandate over such matters than any of the rest of us, you know.
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So far as the crew issue is concerned, these are minimally equipped destroyers with an expected lifespan outside of the hangar measured in minutes.
While any sort of protracted flight operation would of course require a standard crew compliment, itâd be a terrible craft indeed if it couldnât go two minutes without someone tightening bolts, vacuuming carpets, etc.
This isnât to say Iâd fly this way often, or ever outside of specific limited engagement scenarios.
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So youâre going to pretend itâs crewless, seriously? You are sticking with that nonsense?
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I know this may be hard for you to accept as a Matari, but other races have made great advances in technology that do not require the sheer swaths of manpower that Matari ships do.
I would be less concerned with the ânonsenseâ of crewless ships and be more concerned with the patent non-sense of pretending that the Matari have not loss entire wings to Drifters.
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If itâs only flying for sixty to 120 seconds? Yes. Yes, I am.
The normal compliment of 12 to 14 would be necessary for any sort of duration flight. But I repeat: this wouldnât be spaceworthy if it couldnât even go one minute without attention.
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Uh, youâre getting visibly pretty upset. Detract from âyour causeâ? Well sorry, I just want to entertain other ideas and theories, even while yours seems to have tons of support and mine does not, so doesnât really feel like Iâm detracting from anything.
Thank you. Wish your peers would follow your example of being less of a judgemental twat.
Iâd like to concur with Mizhara though, people should be allowed to offer different views and criticism of your corporations actions without the undue hostility weâve witnessed time and time again as long as we present our case calmly and collected as well.
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No-one is stopping you. In fact, weâve been encouraging it for the duration of this thread.
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With due respect, the hostility is because, for years, the same criticism has been levied by seemingly the same parties, who make no effort to take actions on their concern, nevermind that an effort was made on our part in the past.
It gets tiresome, especially âentertaining differing viewsâ sometimes tends to veer into accusations of blood-thirstiness and attempted genocide, again by those who make no effort to seek a peaceful resolution.
Essentially, it comes across as armchair spaceship captains yelling from across the room, âYouâre doing it wrong!â without ever actually attempting any work themselves.
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Well then, I guess we see how little faith we can put into ARCâs publishing from this point on, if youâre so lacking in integrity that youâre not even willing to acknowledge the lives you are spending on these operations. Is your conviction in this matter truly so lacking that you canât accept responsibility for even that blood spent in your pursuits?
Our crews die for us and you want to erase this sacrifice as if it doesnât even happen? Fucksake.
Pretty sure Iâve been putting my money and my ships where my mouth is. As we spoke here, I - unsuccessfully sure enough - engaged combat vessels from my enemies. I just donât pretend neither my targets nor my own allies or crew cease to exist, to be able to pretend I donât have blood on my hands.
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Youâre welcome to believe whatever you like, Ms. Delâthul.
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âYouâre not doing anything!â
The thing is, setting up comm buoys across systems doesnât have the headline power of âWE BLEW UP TONS OF â â â â !â, and not having gotten any response doesnât warrant much fanfare either. Turns out, thereâs not a whole lot you can do when youâre trying to actively not aggress someone.
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