Other than it being a religion, how’s that ‘control and domination over others’ all that different from telling someone ‘your beliefs aren’t ok, you have to give them up or get out of the Republic’? Because a lot of our people have said that… to our own people, just because those people believe in the Amarr god.
Do you think it’s ok to say ‘you have committed no crime, but I’m going to put you to death for it anyway’?
Thank you.
We’re not operating under the banner of the Blood Raiders. I didn’t pick the name and I am not in a position to rename the faith. We share a common ancestry, but the Blood Raiders and the Gallente Sani are not linked. It was hidden cults in the Empire that came to the Federation to practice, since their ideas of individualism, freedom, and self-determination fit in with the Federation quite well.
The only reason people think this about Sanism is that the most violent, prominent group practices it. I won’t even call them the largest, as I think that the Sani in the Fed outnumber the Blood Raiders. (I could be wrong, not like I have census data for both.) So, maybe, the idea of what it means to be Sani should change?
In the past, they were considered heretical by the Amarr. Sanists still are. Mostly because the Amarr have this idea about holders, nobility, bloodlines and the like. Conform or else is the rule in the Empire. And ‘or else’ for Sanists, even of the tame flavour was burning. So, if you’re an Amarr, and you know that a slight deviation is heresy, you just don’t do it. However, if you’re going to be a heretic for your beliefs, might as well be a real heretic? (I guess. The idea of heresy is foreign to me, completely.)
So, if you’re going to get burned for your beliefs, I would assume someone would decide that whatever they do should be worth it. And that’s how you get extremism, but outlawing the moderate.
There is no idea of power and domination in Gallente Sanism. Self empowerment is different. That’s just saying that the only person who can achieve your dreams is you. The person that is going to best look out for yourself, is you. No one is going to give you what you want; you have to go get it. Be a better person, achieve your dreams, stand up for yourself, be who you want to be. Power and domination lead to slavery, and the Federation figured out a long time ago that slavery is no good.
If in your mind, being Sani Sabik means I sacrifice people to the Red God, I am not Sani Sabik.
If in your mind, being Sani Sabik means I seek power over all else, including to the detriment of others, I am not Sani Sabik.
If in your mind, being Sani Sabik means I am some kind of selfish, violent psychopath, I am not Sani Sabik.
Have you ever been in a classroom where there’s two girls named Tiffani and they both spell it with an I, but one is a blonde chick that likes to longboard, and the other is a raven-haired computer geek? Same name, totally different. However, both to them are female and roughly the same age. That’s kinda like how it is with the Raiders. To stretch a metaphor to the breaking point.
Do you agree that the over-reliance on red and black in sabik fashion is detrimental ?
Detrimental to what?
I mean, if it looks good, wear it.
While the Raiders are the pirates whom I just love to exterminate with extreme prejudice, enjoying how easily they pop under my guns… and that I don’t technically accept Sani teaching, recognizing it is considered heresy and thus illegal in the Amarr Empire…
I still do believe that following of Sani ideals is TIMES better than following ideals of Gallente Federation, and thus:
I am glad to hear that.
Better be Sani than brainwashed freedom-worshipping fanatic or democracy-enforcing genocidal maniac.
Can I be both a Sanist and a freedom-worshiper? Sanism and freedom kind of go hand in hand here.
I feel that Sanism fits in great with Gallente culture. Some people think that if your a Sanist, you have to be only that, which seems weird to me. It’s a faith, a philosophy, a religion, whatever, just like the tonnes there are out there. I realize that maybe outside the Federation, the concept of religious freedom doesn’t really exist, but guys, your religion doesn’t have to define you.
As far as I aware the Gallente ideals are quite opposing to Sani ideals.
For example, one of cornerstones of Gallente brainwashing is the fallacy that “all humans are equal”. I am not going to explain how wrong it is from biological and scientific point of views, I will just say that Sani in that regard look way more like us than gallente: believing in power and superiority of one people over another, just like we do believe in merit and that people shall take positions according to their abilities.
Now, speaking about religious dogmates, I don’t object them. I do believe people can follow any religion they like, after all in proper religions dogmates describe philosophical concepts that cannot otherwise be proven or refuted by science. On the other hand, I do stand against Gallente ideals not only because they just try to convert every one and their gramma to their beliefs, but also because they’re anti-scientific, for example, same concept of equality. Of concept that freedom is good. Or belief that democracy is efficient. Gallentean dogmates can be refuted only by analysis without bringing your own counter-dogmates, using just logic and facts against them.
Now, speaking about the freedom… well, I do agree, partly, of course. We know that Blood Raiders bring a lot of destructions, deaths and freedom to cluster - just by their hostile actions. And yet, freedom alone does not stand as something Blooders bring on purpose, it’s a consequence of their other actions. They worship Red God, they go nuts about blood, and so on (please excuse me for being overly blunt, I hope you aren’t going nuts yourself over anything, Im only generalizing a bit!), while gallente going nuts over freedom itself.
From my point of view, people going fanatical over Red God and blood are way less disgusting and way less dangerous to society than people who would go fanatical over freedom. IMHO.
I feel like you haven’t even read anything I wrote. I don’t even believe in the Red God, much less go fanatical over it.
As far as humans being equal, we are. Gallente Sanism teaches that anyone can excel, they just have to achieve their potential and greatness.
I probably should have addressed that first. Yes, I read that you don’t know if there’s a God, which sounds a bit awkward to my ears, since I believe that Sani is a heavily theistic (or even monotheistic) ideology.
And yet, it simply wasn’t the point of the message, because what you actually believe in, is your own business, I can’t teach Sani to be Sani, just like you can’t teach Caldari to be Caldari. The whole essence of my message is that it’s better to be Sani ideologically than being Gallente ideologically, that’s all.
And that I simply can’t agree with. That’s not belief, ma’am, that’s ignorance, only humans who are equal are your own clones. Shall I send you an eugenics textbook?
I feel like I can do both, quite well.
No, thank you.
I mean, you see a dress from a Delve fashion house that would really good, but it only comes in red or black, and not silver or blue.
Really bursts your bubble when that happens.
I suppose by that logic one could say the same about individuals that proclaim themselves as allegiant or associates to the Angel Cartel but because they don’t support the institution of slavery or whatever terror plots they’ve cooked up they are somehow ‘different’ to those they associate with that do.
I’m not aware of any Sanist churches in the City of Rhamnus, but I do know from some of my colleagues in the Jonenor constellation that several member states have taken measures to prevent vandalism and assault on Sanist property and individuals. Whilst the majority of the population here is peaceable enough, there are several groups that are active in Southern Sinq Laison that we’ve received intelligence on. Mme. Lithara, although I’d hope that it isn’t necessary, I’d advise ensuring that your security plans have taken this into account as well as the potentiality for Raider entities to be present.
"… and in Scripture God says, you are all my creation! You are all equal in my kingdom! We all can become His chosen, if only we rise! If only we rise. If only we rise.
They won’t teach you that part of Scripture in the Empire. Whether you are Minmatar or whether you are Ealur, or whether you are Ni-Kunni or even whether you are some common-blooded True Amarr, if you are not one of them in power they do not want you to know that. Because they do not want you to be one of them. They do not want to have to share that power. They don’t want to share that power with you. But is that God’s will?
Is that what God wants from us? No! You are equal in my kingdom! That is what God says! Whether you are Minmatar or Ealur or Ni-Kunni or True Amarr, you are all His creation! You have to rise. If you keep submitting then that’s all you’re ever going to do. That’s all you’re ever going to be. That’s not what God wants. That is not what God wants.
Rise. Reclaim yourself. You are powerful not because you were born that way or because your family has a lot of money or because someone gave it to you. You are powerful because you are you. You are God’s Chosen. We are all God’s Chosen. As long as we choose to be. We have to choose to rise."
– Transcript of a sermon given to worshippers by the Sani Sabik priest Sharham Kaholan, an Ealur.
This is what i read from a certain sermon in my personal study.
I am a Amarr traitor, a proud apostate who decided to dedicate the rest of my existence to liberty and equality to all.
Tell me, how do you really interpret this notion of equality?
As for my personal experience with your ‘Blood Raider’ cousins, I stayed concerned that your belief view all races as ‘equal’ blood sacrifices for the upper echelons of your faith.
However, I just want to know what a ‘True Sanist’ will think of this notion, and I expect challenges to my intentionally held prejudice.
All my clothes are bespoke, so I guess I would not know. (I mean, it’s the only way to get pockets!) However, I assume if you wanted something in other colours, it could be troublesome. I do wear a variety of clothes in several colours, just not black and red, though.
The Caille police, after the initial incident have been proactive in protecting the Sani community here. I’m grateful they were able to intervene when my friend, who will remain nameless, was attacked, and why she was only injured, not killed. I do thank you for your concern.
I really cannot ■■■■■■■ believe this is happening in the Federation.
As far as Blooders go. Yes, sometimes they come around. When they do, we report them to the police and to CONCORD. Happily though, I will be meeting the Blood Raiders soon enough, and I will be bringing two gigatonnes of warship with me for that conversation. I imagine it will be short and one-way.
Anyone can achieve greatness. It’s within them. I’ve covered my beliefs on God in other places, but if there is a God, the idea that she would deem certain individuals better because they were born to certain people is ludicrous.
Success is a choice. It takes drive and effort. Yes, we all have some natural talent, but I don’t believe anyone is inherently worthless. They just need to find their talent and go for it. Not matter what someone decides to do, do it well. We were born to rise, all of us.
As far as blood sacrifices, I don’t do them. None of my fellow Sanists in the Federation do. As I have said, if there’s a Sanist in the Federation (or really anywhere) that is conducting blood sacrifices, they should be prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
It is nice to see a Sani Sabik cultist with genuine decency.
As long as your claim stands true and you remain such, you will be considered not hostile, or even my friend.
I am invisible now, am I ?
I never said she is the ‘only’ sanist with decency.
Given your opening statement and some later replies, I had a thought: is there a general Sanist view of Federal welfare programs, they being a response to institutional poverty? Do these help or hinder the improvement of self, in your belief?
Fantastic question. I think the answer you would get would be as varied as the people you ask, so I can really only give you my answer, as how I understand the programs and my Sani beliefs.
Lots of people are born into shitty situations. There’s no denying that. Some people, really defy the odds though a combination of skill and/or luck. I do not want to diminish the efforts of those who really struggled and succeeded at all. However, I think that there does need to be something there for those who are born into shitty situations. I mean, what are we going to do, tell a five year old to harden up? No.
So, programs that exist to educate children, to ensure they are well fed and cared for I have no problem with. I am happy they exist. I also have no problems with scholarship programs for promising youths to attend top universities.
I really don’t have a problem with most programs in less fortunate areas to revitalize them. I like programs that reward effort, not laziness. So, if there’s a jobs program, or an education program, I am all for it.
However, I am firmly against programs that require no effort. No one should be given a handout, just a hand up. People can fall on hard times. I certainly did. But someone reached out their hand and helped me get back on my feet again. Once I was up, though, what happened next was on me.
Where programs start to hinder development is when they can be abused and relied upon for benefits with no effort for extended periods of time. That encourages dependency.