Right, I could have just looked at hte url in the address bar. facepalm Daaa. Thats okay! thanks man!!! I learned tons of otehr stuff though by asking, which is WHY I ask stupid questions. especially directed to those that have that insight and experience. Thanks for the reminder on the zkill thing, I think thats where I got it from last time. Dotlans or eve who used to post it as well, iirc?